What/Who created God?

[fr0d0]

The mere fact that a timeless God can cause ANYTHING implies he operates within a construct that includes, but perhaps isn't limited wholly to time. And such a God necessarily cannot be omnipotent and omniscient.

Why can't a timeless God create something limited to time? You're saying he could only create something timeless?

What my point is trying to determine is why fr0d0 believes this without credible evidence, and why he chose this version of God rather than any other. By his own reasoning, any assertion would be equally valid, including the rejection of such a belief. This is illogical... 1 cannot equal 1 and 2 at the same time.

That is a different argument. I'd rather leave that to another discussion, if that's ok with you.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Why can't a timeless God create something limited to time? You're saying he could only create something timeless?

Same reason I can't make a truely two-dimensional object. We're clearly operating in a space well above and beyond two dimensions, but something limited to only just to length and width? Impossible.

[fr0d0]

Nope, I don't see it. Expand.

(thanks for the input btw )

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Nope, I don't see it. Expand.

There's not a whole lot to expand on. We live in a three-dimensional world with a component of time we barely understand in the sense that we understand it only goes in one direction and can only be measured by the rate of entropy and flow of energy.

Until we can start making things in which the laws of physics work differently for us, we're limited to only the up and down, left and right, and forward and backward directions and what we understand to be time.

Other than that, you're assuming things about a being you know nothing about - even its very existance, so saying what such a being can and cannot do is entirely meaningless.

[fr0d0]

Yet we can know what two dimensional and timeless are to know what we're aiming to achieve. It's that idea that we're exploring. They may not be an absolute known, but stemming from them are many theories considered to be rational. Or you're calling a lot of theories illogical.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Yet we can know what two dimensional and timeless are to know what we're aiming to achieve. It's that idea that we're exploring. They may not be an absolute known, but stemming from them are many theories considered to be rational. Or you're calling a lot of theories illogical.

What? Who is 'we'? What is this group 'exploring'? What theories?
There are no absolutes truths. What theories are you talking about?

[rjh4 is back]

There are no absolutes truths.

Are you serious about such a statement?

[Edwardo Piet]

I am not absolutely sure that there are no absolute truths.

[Rhizomorph13]

Ok, Ok. I created God. It was me. Hunter S. Thompson and I were sitting around one day, dropping acid, and firing semi-automatic weapons and we got to thinking. How gullible can people be? I bet we can make them believe there is a magic man in the sky who watches them shower and really cares if they win their basketball game or not. A plan was devised, put into motion, and the rest is history. Oh Mr Thompson, what a guy.

The most impressive part being that you did this all from the future to have such great effect on the past.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Are you serious about such a statement?

Yes.

@ EvidencevsFaith:

You can't harm me with that! I've been built with logical paradox-absorbing crumple-zones!