Creation/evolution3

[Davka]

It is annoying to cut and paste on the phone. What do you mean you were cured of AIDS? Is there a newspaper article about your cure?

There are many who contracted this virus and have since been healed. In the early to mid 90's this was attributed to a bad hiv test. Now they have better tests and yet people who have been confirmed with HiV are being healed. these people are refered to as controllers and super controllers. http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers/

That's not healing, it's management. Healing would mean that the HIV virus was no longer present in your system, period.

Since the set of people who are HIV controllers is not limited to "those who asked god for healing," your assumption that god had anything to do with your physical state with regard to HIV is fatally flawed. If one person prays to a milk carton and another prays to Jesus and both of their prayers come to pass, is the milk carton answering prayer?

[Drich]

A life time of daily Miricals some of the highlights are a vision of Hell, diagnosis of AIDS, and cured, a messenger who brought an accurate picture of my past present and future, helped my wife survive a herion habit, 25k from a guy I met once in passing to start a business, accelerated growth of said business to an international level, two U.S. patents (one of which I own and prepared myself) my work here and a greater and greater understanding of God. All from a person who could not read or write past a elementary school level after high school. Currently (for almost the last year) I have been looking down the barrel of cancer, and we will see if/how God gets me out of this one.
I have well documented everything you see here just do a thread search with my name.

Would this help someone else? Probably not, but here the thing God knows what it would take to establish and maintain a relationship between Him and someone else and is willing to do whatever it takes.

What was your vision of hell?

http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

[Tonus]

i wasn't aware of a second one.

The first creation account is Genesis 1:1-2:3. The second account is Genesis 2:4-2:25. The focus of attention, the order of creation, and god's method of creating are among the things that differentiate the two, such that it's pretty easy to see that someone took two separate creation stories and put them end-to-end.

As for the soul, depending on the translation the Bible tells us that people and animals are souls, not that they have them. If I am not mistaken, it's not until Revelations that there is any indication that humans would take up spirit bodies and go to heaven, so the concept of a soul separate from the body is not clearly defined until then. And with Revelations being the description of a dream sequence, it's possible that this was an allegorical account. The concept of a soul separate from the body relies on specific translations of the Bible, otherwise it's very difficult to substantiate it without considerable cherry picking.

[Nope]

There are many who contracted this virus and have since been healed. In the early to mid 90's this was attributed to a bad hiv test. Now they have better tests and yet people who have been confirmed with HiV are being healed. these people are refered to as controllers and super controllers. http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers/

That's not healing, it's management. Healing would mean that the HIV virus was no longer present in your system, period.

Since the set of people who are HIV controllers is not limited to "those who asked god for healing," your assumption that god had anything to do with your physical state with regard to HIV is fatally flawed. If one person prays to a milk carton and another prays to Jesus and both of their prayers come to pass, is the milk carton answering prayer?

Hopefully, if Drich has HIV, he and his wife use protection.

[Drich]

Again, that would be a claim for which demonstration would be trivially easy. Point to the bottleneck, then point to the corresponding flood. You won't need the bible for either, they'll both be in evidence, plain as day. What happens in your book is of very little importance if it didn't happen outside of that book as well, don't you think? You must see the value, you went extra-biblical with your explanation. So, follow through.

(the aids bit isn't the only health related fib he's told us)

What does evidence of the soul look like?

The world at large acknoweledges the soul we even define it
soul
sōl/
noun
1.
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
"their interpretation lacked soul"
synonyms: inspiration, feeling, emotion, passion, animation, intensity, fervor, ardor, enthusiasm, warmth, energy, vitality, spirit
"their music lacked soul"
2.
the essence or embodiment of a specified quality.
"he was the soul of discretion"
synonyms: embodiment, personif

Yet as it is immaterial their is no physical evidence for it.
Is it your belief that just because something is immaterial it can not be apart of our life?

[Nope]

So, what is your personal definition of a soul, Drich? How did soulless humans differ from humans with souls? Can humans without souls create art? You obviously believe that they can create cities.

Off topic, how did you meet your wife? Was she addicted to heroin when you met her? Were you addicted to drugs?

[Esquilax]

Your confusing applied science and fringe/theoretical science. The rules and proofs of applied science doesn't apply to the fringe science used in the scientific theory of orgins. For one to say fringe science has the same stablity and reliability as applied science takes a lot more faith than it seems your willing to admit to.

So Drich, are you just going to ignore how completely you've misrepresented science in the past, and just pretend like you still know what you're talking about? Not gonna work; you can't just sweep your multiple, easily rebutted errors under the rug here.

What the hell do you know about science? Every single thing you've said about it here- and elsewhere, since we've had this "fringe science" discussion before, and I was able to nail you on that, too- I've been able to prove one hundred percent wrong. Your only response has been mockery, where you haven't just tried to ignore it into non-existence. Are we going to get some admission, as to how wrong you've been?

[Drich]

O.k, so what do you imagine happened to the tree of life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the animals, etc.?

The garden is the oil we pull from that region the actual trees of knoweledge and tree of life specifically? Idk. They may be there under the sand it may be oil who knows.

I'm not sure I understand how you feel about the 7 days in Genesis 1. Even if you read the 7 days to be 7 long phases, the sequence is wrong. For example, vegetation appears on day 3 and the sun, moon, and stars appear on day 4.

Is it your belief that the sun is the only source of life in which plants can live?
Google hydroponics. If you do, you will note that there are grow lights out there are work better than the sun. Almost like the plants are getting by on the sun, but we're designed to live on something else. Another light source.. Like the glory of God.

Also, when do you imagine God created the Garden of Eden within the geological history of the Earth? Depending on how far back you go in history, the Garden of Eden might need to be a space station orbiting Earth. The Earth has been through a lot in 4 billion years.

Maybe that is why the earth of the garden is described as a circle of the earth, or under a protective dome or supported by pillars...

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No it doesn't. It really doesn't. If you actually care about what is true, then popularity has nothing to do with it.

Christians and Muslims can't both be right, yet by the same argument you use, they are.

If you don't care what is true, then sure, validate away.

Again, if Christianity provided what people are looking for then why wouldn't it be popular?

[Davka]

Is it your belief that just because something is immaterial it can not be apart of our life?

That depends on what you mean by "a part." By definition, anything immaterial would have no way of interacting with the material. So while there might be an infinite number of immaterial objects or beings, we would never know, and it wouldn't matter.

[Drich]

An arguement by numbers makes a universal statement to the subject validity.

I asked a question about those who stay. For example
Buddhists find what they are looking for
In turn muslims find what they seek.
So do Christians. Your fault in reasoning is that you believe we are all looking for the same thing.

OK, fair enough.

And your fault in reasoning is that you believe that "god" has contacted you, when in fact there is a far simpler, purely natural explanation for your experiences. I do not deny that it feels as if and seems as if god is contacting you. However, subjective experience is the worst possible yardstick with which to measure reality.

And objective evidence indicates that your subjective experiences of god are false.

Again everything I went through for comfirmation has been offered to each of you. Maybe not to my specifics, but to experience exactly what you need to establish and maintain belief.

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http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/0...imself-hiv

Timothy Ray Brown is the only person to be cured of AIDS. The medical community thought an unnamed baby had been cured but sadly, the infant was not cured.

I didn't say "cured" I said healed. Hiv controllers all spontaneously control hiv without Meds. Super controllers wipe out the virus without Meds. Read the link I provided and Google hiv controllers.