Creation/evolution3

[Thumpalumpacus]

thirty pages in and you finally have a semi accurate understanding of the OP :whew: welcome to the conversation.

There are two links in any communication. Perhaps had you written more clearly you wouldn't face such hard sledding?

So yes nothing was said between the end of creation and the fall, weather it was a hour, day, month, year, a billion years or a 100 bazillion years.

And this -- this -- is "Paradise"?

Just a question, What do you think would be note worthy in A&E's life that impacts humanity like the Fall?

It's not my mumbo-jumbo story being told here, kid. You'll need to exercise your own creativity ... perhaps you could start with Adam's search for a mate in the animal kingdom, before god realizes he needed a piece of tail?

But if "impacting humanity" is the qualification for Biblical mention, whence the fig tree story, or the "don't look at my face, but check out my ass" thing your god allegedly did with Moses? What deep lessons do you learn from those Bronze Age follies?

You tell me what you little Christians consider important to humanity, with stories like that. *snort*

[The Grand Nudger]

I also get that you don't like how flipant I am with your version of God/science. to which I say, so what. How is this any different then what you all say/Do against My God?

If I am wrong, then like I do with you provide BCV via one of your bibles and show me where I am wrong.

That's been done. Are we still pretending to be interested in BCV? tut-tut. Your stories are extra-biblical, contra-biblical, factually inaccurate, and logical invalid. No need to wonder about bazillions of years btw, probably don't even have to worry about billions of years....we can get much more specific than that, if you'd like. Plenty was said, you quoted most of it yourself...so you should know that.
(was obviously more than an hour, day, week, month, or year...of course..lol)

[Tonus]

but again when these men died all of their stuff was left, that meant hundreds if not thousands if not ten thousands of men all of whole would have been armed and armored as well as personal effects, and whatever equipement they were responsible for.

But in relative terms we are still talking a very small number of people during a very brief period of time. The difference in both is staggering.

Verses a completely different situation requiring the use, reuse and re- reuse of any and everything the jews brought with them till there was nothing left.

And again we are talking about potentially millions of people staying in a region for decades. The level of fastidiousness required to leave no traces is simply not reasonable.

So we are comparing one large group who was just sheding material by the ton, verses another group who would have used everything (very little unusable garbage) till nothing was left/or it was burned to fuel a fire.

I don't think anyone knows the rate at which Alexander's army was leaving things behind, but we're talking about 30,000 men (and 12,000 casualties) moving as quick as they can for two months, versus possibly more than two million people (with almost that many casualties) roaming a region for almost forty years. You can't just chalk that up to good housekeeping.

Yes! These people stayed in one place for generations upon generations.

Right- time is a factor that has to be considered.

who lived in perminate/semi perminate structures.

Right- distance traveled (or not traveled) has to be considered.

again a short trek that involved the loss of an entire army, tons of the supplies/wepons of war they carried. 3000 years AFTER Moses.

The loss of about half of his army, though even losing a full army and its supplies still isn't anywhere near the effect of hundreds of thousands of people roaming an area for decades. No settlements. No bones. No campfires. No altars. No pottery. Not even a bit of "Yahweh wuz here" graffiti etched into a clay tablet. That's just not possible.

[watchamadoodle]

So, do you imagine the seven days happening in seven days, or do you imagine the seven days happening over billions of years in phases that are overlapping and ordered differently from Genesis 1?

Of course cats are native to the desert and could hunt lizards. Also humans would not survive on a diet of ordinary bread for 40 years. Manna must have been very nutritious and could have been made into cat kibble in addition to human bread IMO.

Yes 7 days is 7 literal days.
Why? Jesus supported the 7 day creation when He spoke of it. As He was there I would tend to take his word.

I read Genesis 1 again, and by the sixth day everything has been created (cattle, birds, etc.). This seven days happens 4 billion years ago, so are you saying these modern plants and animals were created only in the Garden of Eden and the rest of the Earth was still in the Hadean Eon? Worse still, the universe is 13.8 billion years old, so this 7 days took at least 10 billion years according to science.

Let say there was 1000 cats in a 1000 acre camp, how long before the lizzard population (and other cat size meals) in that area would be gone? how long before the cats become meals for larger animals, or maybe even traded off if they had such value.

According to the Bible, the Israelites had huge herds of livestock. This livestock would have eaten-up the vegetation faster than the cats would have eaten up the lizards IMO. The only solution would be for the livestock and cats to eat manna along with the humans. Manna was the food normally eaten by heavenly beings such as angels. Heaven would not be heavenly without cats, so obviously manna is also suitable for cats.

BTW: Are you aware of 1 Chronicles 7:20-24? This is textual evidence from the Bible that the tribe of Ephraim never went to Egypt.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Exactly. I've heard him complain of dyslexia, but both Firefox and Chrome underline misspelled words. I'm not normally one to point out this sort of thing, but "artical" I will point out every time he misspells it, because that error was pointed out to him and he simply refuses to acknowledge it ... as if the first admission of error will crack the dam.

And let's face it, "Neopleon" is simply funny. I didn't know there was an Emperor Pleon, much less his son Neopleon who went to Egypt.

apple products 'learn' common mispellings and puts them into memory. my PC's run an older Internet explorer to comply with my billing software needs. So no spell check.

Also it give people with weaker arguements something legit to buzz in about when they are failing in every other way.

... and yet when you were corrected by several people regarding "artical"/article, you steadfastly insisted that you were using a legitimate variation on the word, in order to avoid admitting error -- which anyone with elementary reading-comprehension skills would recognize is the crux of my point.

I point and laugh at you because of your spelling not because you're dyslexic, or unable to keep mispellings out of your Apple's memory, but because you're too proud to admit error, and thus unable to get any nearer any truth, large or small.

You see, without the ability to say "I was wrong", at one level or another, you cannot learn.

This is why anything you say is suspect, and that is my point here.

Also: "artical"

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You running those numbers Drich? We could use your billing software to do the math.

I dunno, do you have an Amiga? Maybe a VIC-20? Drich clearly doesn't run modern equipment, you know, with spellcheck and whatnot.

[Drich]

You're saying it like it were something to impeed my ablity to think and or reason.
You guys are ignorant if you think dsylexica is anything more than obversion to the rules of literary communication, and a way for bullies to oppress kids who think differently.

Churchhill, Patton, Henry Ford, Tesla, Eddison, Charles Schawb, Enistein, along with many many other who have literally brought light and modern life to the 'literate'.

We think differently, and often times can 'see/picture' things differently which allows for innovations and understanding that others are not privy to.

Without a doubt it is a very difficult road to travel, but once the major obsicals are over come 'we' tend to be very sucessful in whatever we set out to do.

We? So you think your "ablity" is in the same class as "churchhill", "Eddison", and "Enistein" now?

Whatever people say about "churchhill", "Eddison", and "Enistein"
no one ever accused "churchhill", "Eddison", and "Enistein" of "obversion" to rules of literary communication, drich.

I don't know, I also think it's not just your "obversion" to rules of literary communication that will stand as "obsicals" to "impeed" your dream of being "very sucessful" in the same way as "churchhill", "Eddison", and "Enistein", drich.

But a howling baboon can't, nor need to, feel any affinity for rules of literary communication, drich. But as a howling baboon, you are already quite "sucessful", drich.

If you clicked on the link I provided You will note the dsylexics I mention as well as all the others don't just over come this issue. The vast majority remain 'hollowing baffons' all their lives. Patton's wife had to write and correct his letters for him. It is said the eddison's writtings were almost like a code that only he could decipher. Richard Branson (virgin) Can bearly read or write.. In the end, the trivial business of spelling/reading is not a handicap, in any manner of logical thought nor does it have to hold one back from making a tremoundous contribution to soceity or becomming sucessful in someway.

Again some of soceity's biggest contributors would be labled as 'bafoons' my your measure. I am well please to be counted among them.

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That's an easy one.

The egg.

No egg, no chicken.

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So where did the egg come from? what ever 'bird/lizzard/crap theory' the chicken evolved from.

Do you now see why your peers are so paniced about this theory of mine? I allows a believer access to an unmolested account of creation and whatever science is currently serving up in the realm of '

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So god said let there be chickens and an egg appears?

Did god also say, don't let chicken remains/fossils be found amongst the dinosaur fossils Drich?

How can you honestly contribute to a thread and not even read the OP?

The Whole point of this thread is to point out that Evolution can be assimilated into the creation account.

Or are you too dsylexic? If so my appologies brother.

[Anomalocaris]

You don't actually know what "howling" means, do you?

Do you truly think that, just because some people of ability have been called baffoons, all the real baffoons in the world, such as you, thereby gain some ability through being called a baffoon?


Most baffoons, particularly those like you, are called buffoons because they are really nothing more, nor will you ever be anything more, than baffoons.

[Drich]

Actually Drich see, his spelling as a trivial point, a needless formality. A game weaker minds like to play in, when their logic, and reasoning ablity fails them.

Subject matter is king in any conversation, until one looses the upper hand on topic. then spelling becomes an issue, then puncituation, then grammer, then font, then method of quoting, then an endless supply of hoop jumping all in an effort to red herring themselves away from a topic these people can not otherwise pray to have the last word in.

It's real simple.

Those who can do.

Those who can't only teach.

Those who can't teach, grade papers. (Check for spelling)

Those who can't spell, do flunk out to flip burgers, become biblical christians on the side, and compare themselves to "Enistein", "Eddison" and "Churchhill".

Says who?

None of those guys could spell some couldn't read or did you not understand the context of the link i provided?

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Uh, there is concrete, objective, verifiable evidence for science;

Not all of it sport, That is why their is a sharp contrast between theoritical science and applied sciences.

[Thumpalumpacus]

"sport"

Also, "artical"

[Davka]

According to the Bible, the Israelites had huge herds of livestock. This livestock would have eaten-up the vegetation faster than the cats would have eaten up the lizards IMO. The only solution would be for the livestock and cats to eat manna along with the humans. Manna was the food normally eaten by heavenly beings such as angels. Heaven would not be heavenly without cats, so obviously manna is also suitable for cats.

Another odd disconnect in the Exodus story: The Israelites supposedly took huge herds of livestock with them, yet they got all butt-hurt because they were bored of eating Manna, so God sent them doves (iirc - it was a bird) to eat for days and days and days, until they got sick of bird meat and begged to have manna back.

Why didn't they simply augment their manna diet with some of their livestock? There would have been ample meat among all those cattle, sheep, and goats. So what happened to all the livestock?