How Jesus became a carpenter

[Cyberman]

Jesus was a téton? That explains so much.

Plus it beats my theory of a mistranslation of tektite.

[psychoslice]

The bible god is all powerful and all knowing. According to your beliefs, we all play by his rules or suffer some kind of horrible fate in the afterlife. Yet, bible god didn't think it important enough that the book which were supposed to guide his people wasn't one hundred percent accurate? How do you know that the mistakes in your bible are small ones, maybe the path they describe to salvation is incorrect

I didn't say that it was not 100% accurate, but that some of it takes much study. Also, when we speak of the bible being inspired, we are referring to the original texts. I'm sure there have been some errors in translation, but the Holy Spirit guides his church. Do you think that God just left us alone with a collection of books? When I first became a christian, I hadn't read most of bible yet, but I was still a christian.

Yea, it always comes back to the holy spirit, but really what does that really mean, is it just an excuse ?.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I didn't say that it was not 100% accurate, but that some of it takes much study. Also, when we speak of the bible being inspired, we are referring to the original texts. I'm sure there have been some errors in translation, but the Holy Spirit guides his church. Do you think that God just left us alone with a collection of books? When I first became a christian, I hadn't read most of bible yet, but I was still a christian.

So what you're saying is that the tenets of your faith have been handled by imperfect humans mentally, on their reception and writing, and further, handled by imperfect humans in translating into myriad languages, and further handled by flawed human minds upon reading.

I'm sure everything worked perfectly in that chain of events, and that nothing important was lost. I mean, why else would there be literally thousands of Christian sects?

[Minimalist]

Yea, it always comes back to the holy spirit

Fuck the holy spirit.

[Aoi Magi]

don't fuck random non-existent crap

[psychoslice]

Yea, it always comes back to the holy spirit

Fuck the holy spirit.

Yea, I'm with you there.

[downbeatplumb]

Mark 6,3 reads: Is not this man the carpenter, the son of Mary ... etc.

This is the only place in the NT where Jesus is identified as a carpenter.

The Greek word used is 'tekton' .... now 'teknon' means "child"

Replacing tekton with teknon gives us the reading:

Is not this man the child, the son of Mary ....

The context is that this was the first time he'd been back to his home town since childhood. If he'd been the local carpenter they would have recognised him sooner, sort of thing.

But did he not say when he was being nailed to the cross.
" you want to use the six inch nails, those five inchers wont hold, trust me I'm a carpenter"

[robvalue]

And jesus spake, "You're doing it all wrong you homo! Gimme the hammer, I'll do it. How will I knock in the last nail you ask? Magic carpentry!"

[Thumpalumpacus]

The work Tekton does not support a figurative meaning. It literally means a wood worker/laborer. Neither does the context. In context the pharasees were using a worn out atheist tactic of trying to dismiss Christ based on his pedigree rather than what He says or did. (Ad hoc attack) so calling a carpenter here is meant literally to try and make him easier to try and dismiss in their minds.

I'm pretty sure you missed his point entirely, which is that because one letter was transcribed wrongly, "child" became "carpenter"

He is not arguing for a figurative interpretation, his is posting that a transcription/translation error may explain the issue.

Your derision is unsurprising, given that you have a vested emotional interest in the Bible being allegedly perfect ... but those of us without your preconceptions get his meaning very clearly.

It's a shame your faith filters your intellect, such as it is, in such a banal and obvious manner.

[Drich]

The work Tekton does not support a figurative meaning. It literally means a wood worker/laborer. Neither does the context. In context the pharasees were using a worn out atheist tactic of trying to dismiss Christ based on his pedigree rather than what He says or did. (Ad hoc attack) so calling a carpenter here is meant literally to try and make him easier to try and dismiss in their minds.

I'm pretty sure you missed his point entirely, which is that because one letter was transcribed wrongly, "child" became "carpenter"

He is not arguing for a figurative interpretation, his is posting that a transcription/translation error may explain the issue.

Your derision is unsurprising, given that you have a vested emotional interest in the Bible being allegedly perfect ... but those of us without your preconceptions get his meaning very clearly.

It's a shame your faith filters your intellect, such as it is, in such a banal and obvious manner.

Again you didn't look up the words you're using did you..

You know how I can tell?

Because teknon is a figurative term describing a 'child of God'.
http://biblehub.com/greek/5043.htm

5043 /téknon ("a child living in willing dependence") illustrates how we must all live in utter dependence upon the Lord (moment-by-moment), drawing guidance (care, nurture) from our heavenly Father. 5043 (téknon) emphasizes the childlike (not childish) attitude of heart that willingly (gladly) submits to the Father's plan. We profoundly learn this as we are receptive to Christ speaking His rhēma-word within to impart faith (cf. Ro 8:16,17 with Ro 10:17, Gk text).


While the context you and the op are trying to force this word into calls for 'paidion' a literal child.

http://biblehub.com/greek/3813.htm
3813 paidíon – properly, a child under training; the diminutive form of 3816 /país ("child"). 3813 /paidíon ("a little child in training") implies a younger child (perhaps seven years old or younger). Some scholars apply 3816 (país) to a son or daughter up to 20 years old (the age of "complete adulthood" in Scripture).

If their wasn't an established context already describing the son of Marry you might have been able to work your angle, but as the pharisees already identified Christ, as the son of Marry. That your presumption/version redundant. Not to mention mark 6:3 is also backed by mat 13:55 where the Pharrisees ask: " isnt this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother called Marry?"

Here we have teknon and huious 'carpenter/son'
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...onc_942055



Check and mate old sport!