So did Atheism + bite the dust?

[Dystopia]

Pyrrho says it better.

---> Woman: I think street harassment is bad, I don't like and it feels bad
---> Man: Shut up you feminazi stop complaining and take it as compliment bla bla bla you dress like a whore bla bla bla

And then people ask me to be taken seriously

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It's probably because those men are not representative of all men in the world. Real men think sexism is lame.

What's this "real men" shit? I disagree with this whole line of thinking.

Also, it's usually bullshit: "Real men pay child support. Real men drive minivans. Real men wear a dress if they want to." The fact is that many men are misogynist assholes-- and they are still real men.

As for feminazis: I think the usage of "nazi" is pretty obvious-- it's about the level of vehemence, hostility, and implied aggression that comes with some kinds of feminism.

Benny

Real men was a metaphor for those campaign of "real men don't hit women" or "real men are not sexist" - It is a way to counter the whoole idea of masculinity that we have to man up and treat women like trophies. Of course biologically a penis is enough

Vehemence hostility and aggression are not justifications - I can be aggressive, hostile and vehement - Still be right - It's all up to the ideology. Let's take the example of those feminists who protest topless; as far as I know it's a protest against rape and vitcim-blaming, topless is a way of saying "You can't rape me even if I'm topless" and if you are more worried about them being topless than what they are protesting for, you are the reason they are doing it in the first place. Are these people wrong? No. Are they more aggressive? Yeah, it takes courage to go topless on a protest like that.

The truth is feminazi gets thrown a lot even when women complain about real issues and many times they are dismissed by men who think their experiences doesn't matter ---> If it was used to describe fem superiority then ok, it's cool, but it's used as a mechanism, mostly against women, to silence voices and make them look bad. Instead of calling someone fem-nazi try having a debate about the issue to see if you are that right

[TheMessiah]

The term Feminazi was not coined by Rush Limbaugh, it was popularized by Rush Limbaugh because he had access to radio. It was created by a professor of economics at the University of California at Davis named Tom Hazzlet. If someone accuses any complaining woman of being a Feminazi, then this is bad --- but someone can also accuse radical Feminist advocates for female superiority to be Feminists, conflating it with equity Feminism.

The term Feminazi, while not a literal analogy is one of the greatest terms to use. It can successful separate the Feminists who campaign for greater rights (such as tackling issues such as FGM and gender discrimination laws) from the radical Feminists who seek to impose female superiority.

Such as seen in this link: http://www.dottal.org/feminazi_quotes.htm

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories...ty/1269918

^ Many women have a bad rep for being a 'Feminist' because too often, radical Feminism is associated and conflated with Feminism on a broader scale.

The term therefore can disassociate the radicals from the moderates. Feminists, who do not wish to be conflated with radical loonies can say ''I'm a Feminist. Not a Feminazi'' - that's actually a great way to get men to side with Feminism too.

Being a ''real man'' is a nonsensical social construct, often used as propaganda. There is no universal truth to being a ''real man''.

[Dystopia]

Dude you keep posting links to conservative viewpoints. Just look at the first link talking about Marxism and destruction of family/heterosexuality - It sounds pretty homophobic to me. Why don't you stop it? You are not going anywhere with this. Stop linking websites and think for yourself

Oh and feminists have no need to say they're not feminazis. If you haven't read the literature, magazines and know the history, then it's your problem that your ignorance on the subject doesn't allow your perceptions to be correct.

Now stop linking MRA websites and go do something else. I'm tired of your anecdotal claims and your "proof". Like Sionnach said, we are better of if we don't care about those people

[TheMessiah]

Dude you keep posting links to conservative viewpoints. Just look at the first link talking about Marxism and destruction of family/heterosexuality - It sounds pretty homophobic to me. Why don't you stop it? You are not going anywhere with this. Stop linking websites and think for yourself

Oh and feminists have no need to say they're not feminazis. If you haven't read the literature, magazines and know the history, then it's your problem that your ignorance on the subject doesn't allow your perceptions to be correct.

Now stop linking MRA websites and go do something else. I'm tired of your anecdotal claims and your "proof". Like Sionnach said, we are better of if we don't care about those people

The post you made is a lie. The links I just posted [post #102] are not links to Conservative websites, seriously did you even read them?

These links are to a website which compiled quotes from radical Feminists. It has nothing to do with Conservatism.

http://www.dottal.org/feminazi_quotes.htm

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories...ty/1269918

Again, it is a database of quotes. Stop trying to accuse the websites of being Conservative just because they do not fit your narrative. The notion of Feminism and Marxism is true, it's in regards to Marxism-Feminism which is the idea that patriarchy is a result of Capitalism, which leads to inequality --- many radical Feminists hold this view.

To further add, pointing out a flaw with Marxism is not Conservative. Marxism as a whole is flawed ideology.

Feminists are often in a position of having to disassociate themselves with Feminazi's --- if the term Feminazi does not exist, then people conflate radical Feminism with Feminism as a whole because they are the loudest voices. Radical Feminists have a much more vocal and accessible platform to air their opinions, equity Feminists unfortunately do not.

Also the destruction of the Nuclear Family is a quote from the Feminazi's, not the person who compiled the quotes.

You cannot possibly say that my evidence is not ''proof'' yet claim that your MRA ''debunking'' links are valid. It's a double standard.

And again, what's wrong with being a Conservative?

[FatAndFaithless]

Holy text size, batman.

[TheMessiah]

Holy text size, batman.

Apologies, but I've asked it a number of times with no answer. Just to note, I don't affiliate with a specific political party but it's like being Conservative is an insult.

[Dystopia]

The post you made is a lie. The links I just posted [post #102] are not links to Conservative websites, seriously did you even read them?

These links are to a website which compiled quotes from radical Feminists. It has nothing to do with Conservatism.

Yes mixed with Marxism, cultural Marxism and other conservative white supremacist and homophobic bullshit. Not to mention some quotes are actually not bad. For example the quote about getting rid of traditional marriage isn't to say heterosexual marriage is bad, it is a means to tell people what women shouldn't subjected to conservative views of being a housewife as a social obligation.

Again, it is a database of quotes. Stop trying to accuse the websites of being Conservative just because they do not fit your narrative. The notion of Feminism and Marxism is true, it's in regards to Marxism-Feminism which is the idea that patriarchy is a result of Capitalism, which leads to inequality --- many radical Feminists hold this view.

Capitalism has helped oppress women for many centuries. But that doesn't mean capitalism is the source - The source are stupid tiny dick syndrome men.

To further add, pointing out a flaw with Marxism is not Conservative. Marxism as a whole is flawed ideology.

So what?

Feminists are often in a position of having to disassociate themselves with Feminazi's --- if the term Feminazi does not exist, then people conflate radical Feminism with Feminism as a whole because they are the loudest voices. Radical Feminists have a much more vocal and accessible platform to air their opinions, equity Feminists unfortunately do not.

Yes on tumblr and youtube channels. Other than that there's not many feminist organizations, magazines, writers and so on that could be considered "radical"

Also the destruction of the Nuclear Family is a quote from the Feminazi's, not the person who compiled the quotes.

Nuclear family is a term fuelled by conservatives and the religious that is code to promote traditional gender roles. AKA women are submissive, men are breadwinners and dominant, gays are destroying and oppressing straights, interracial marriage is evil, etc.

You cannot possibly say that my evidence is not ''proof'' yet claim that your MRA ''debunking'' links are valid. It's a double standard.

Except that my link has studies disproving MRA studies. MRA's are more worried about making women and feminists the villains than actually addressing men's issues. The fact they focus on fake rape accusations which are a minority and are not a relevant problem given that false accusations affect everyone, proves that they are more worried about making women look bad. Not to mention they are illiterate and don't even know the cause of men's issues. The cause of men's issues is not women, it's men themselves. It's men who promote the concept of masculinity and gender roles to further decide who's a real man and not - Because of that men have the upper hand in power and strength but when it comes to children they have the lower hand because women are classified as caregivers. This is something feminists dislike because it's a double standard

And again, what's wrong with being a Conservative?

What's wrong with not wanting to take part with an organization that has been accused of sexism, misogyny, homophobia and holding ultra-conservative viewpoints? A good example of two men that are pro-women and pro-men equality are Tony Porter and Daniel Radclilffe

[TheMessiah]

Yes mixed with Marxism, cultural Marxism and other conservative white supremacist and homophobic bullshit. Not to mention some quotes are actually not bad. For example the quote about getting rid of traditional marriage isn't to say heterosexual marriage is bad, it is a means to tell people what women shouldn't subjected to conservative views of being a housewife as a social obligation.

You claim you read them yet make a point which is completely unrelated? The website made two quotes about Marxism. This does not make it Conservative. This simply means it is analyzing Marxism. Some quotes are not bad, but while others are simply utterly ridiculous; those are the quotes which give Feminism a bad rep, despite the fact that they are a minority, they have the vocal platform to deem themselves Feminists; hence the term Feminazi successfully divides them.

Capitalism has helped oppress women for many centuries.

I agree. Racism and sexism were the underpinnings of Capitalism.

But that doesn't mean capitalism is the source - The source are stupid tiny dick syndrome men.

I did not argue it was the source; Marxist-Feminists argue that Capitalism is the source of patriarchy. The men that abuse women physically and economically, from a Marxist-Feminist standpoint (not my own) are actually men who have been exploited by Capitalism and thus abuse women because of their own frustration.

Yes on tumblr and youtube channels. Other than that there's not many feminist organizations, magazines, writers and so on that could be considered "radical"

Not just on Tumblr and You-Tube; they have a media voice. Gloria Steinem is an example of one during the first wave, was an advocate for radical Feminist and she is one of the more known Feminists. Radical Feminists have been given a media platform in America because their controversy attract more viewership.

The public perception of Feminism is degraded by the radicals.

Nuclear family is a term fuelled by conservatives and the religious that is code to promote traditional gender roles.

The Nuclear Family is derives from Sociology. It once promoted traditional gender roles in the 1960s but that is a thing of the past, they do however accept traditional gender roles but the majority of women are now expected for employment. Capitalism has simply evolved to the point where a female workforce is now needed.

There's nothing wrong with traditional roles to women who wish to have those roles.

AKA women are submissive, men are breadwinners and dominant, gays are destroying and oppressing straights, interracial marriage is evil, etc.

Now you are just generalizing. The majority of Conservatives do not voice opposition to inter-racial marriage in today's society; this is a thing of the past and the Left-wing have a history of opposing inter-racial marriage. Again, you seem to be outdated with your perceptions. Several Republican Governors are in fact, women.

Hell, in the country I live in, the Conservatives legalized Gay Marriage..

Something which Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, men of the Left-wing spectrum could not do because of their religious conviction.

Except that my link has studies disproving MRA studies.

Again, this is a double standard. I for one, linked a video to a re-nowed and respected Feminist who has 40 + years of experience and a P.H.D which fuels her credibility debunking the argument of Anita Sarkeesian and video-games causing sexism.

The responses you gave me in return, such as Factual-Feminist being Conservative (despite the fact that CH Sommers was a registered Democrat) were inadequate.

The fact they focus on fake rape accusations which are a minority and are not a relevant problem given that false accusations affect everyone, proves that they are more worried about making women look bad.

False rape accusations are a serious problem. They give leeway to women based on media sensitization of a crime. False accusations, which are found unworthy can still lead to men being unable to find jobs; despite the fact that they are innocent.

Not to mention they are illiterate and don't even know the cause of men's issues.

The majority of rights movements are not compromised authors, but ordinary individuals. That said, I am not sure being ''illiterate'' holds true if Feminism has legitimate loonies lurking around.

The cause of men's issues is not women

This is not the point men's rights movement make...

It's men who promote the concept of masculinity and gender roles to further decide who's a real man and not - Because of that men have the upper hand in power and strength but when it comes to children they have the lower hand because women are classified as caregivers. This is something feminists dislike because it's a double standard

Okay, firstly let's clarify something. Men have the upper hand in strength because they are biologically stronger; they evolved that way before the social construct of gender roles even existed.

Secondly, that is exactly what men's rights movement do. If women advocate against gender roles, then why do they openly abuse this privilege to get custody of the kids and the house? This is what the men's rights movement point out. That Feminists will despise gender roles yet still abuse it when need be.

What's wrong with not wanting to take part with an organization that has been accused of sexism, misogyny, homophobia and holding ultra-conservative viewpoints?

This did not answer my question. The MRA's are not ultra-Conservative, at all. They solely exist to counteract the contradictions behind Feminism.

The point is that you're throwing around Conservatism as if it's an insult, whenever I linked to Factual-Feminist or posted a link with quotes, all you have said is ''Conservative!''.

[Dystopia]

Regarding your video of factual feminist on gaming - I made a long post with a critical analysis on how genders are portrayed in gaming and I didn't say all games are sexist, I just said games are more inclusive to men than women. You ignored my post because it wasn't convenient but I made an analysis with my own thinking (without copying/pasting videos) about how gender stereotypes, roles and perceptions of reality are depicted in games. I'm a gamer, so my point is not to destroy gaming.

And yeah, if you are for a group that spreads misinformation about feminism, backs campaigns that attempt to humiliate and degrade women, claims that feminists use rape as a scam (despite evidence released to show otherwise), and endorses violence against women who dare speak up against men (And this is just the tip of the iceberg) - Then fuck you. MRA's are fuelled by old fashioned values and logic and share the same sexist ideology with websites like Return of kings

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well, if you go to FSTDT there are quotes that justify the usage of the word 'feminazi', like this .

That has got to be satire.

Clearly Poeish.