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"War Powers" and U.S. History.
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"War Powers" and U.S. History.
I do agree that it is better that a collective consensus and check on power should be required so that one person in a government cannot go it alone like a dictator.

Now having said that, knowing our U.S. history, it seems outside WW1 and WW2 the U.S. has had a very bad long term foreign policy even going back to the Barbary Treaty.

But especially after WW2 we have gotten into stalemates and or made things worse. This is not a left or right issue for me. I think we need to use more diplomacy and need to understand that the nature of conflict and our smaller world and our enemy's ability to blend in has changed the nature of how we combat conflict. I think we still have far too much old school power who are still stuck on our WW2 victory.

We cannot be isolationists but we also cannot be the world's police.
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#2
RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
Good commentary on wrong idea.
Wars are plotted behind closed doors, then a front man is placed before everybody showing how we have to go to war again.
Repeat process/ repeat process / continually.

The wrong idea is that we actually have a say in the sequence.
The one time the process was cut short, was when the public got so fed up with Vietnam and the murder and maiming of so many of my generation that it had to be shut down.
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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
The only consesus this war power act has is the consensus amongst democrats that when democrats decided it was expedient to pursue a war, a much loathed previous republican administration ought not be given a chance to claim it had the foresight to foresee the need and authorize the use of force 13 years in advance.
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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
The WPA should be repealed.

If we are to send Americans into combat, then the Congress should have to approve it.

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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
These two men seem to have nailed the essence of American foreign policy...2,000+ years ago.

Quote:"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."
Marcus Tullius Cicero


Quote:“It is a common mistake in going to war to begin at the wrong end, to act first, and wait for disasters to discuss the matter.”
- Thucydides
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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
Quote:Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

-Sun Tzu


The US certainly didn't win any wars first recently before going to war, and has drifted from one war to another seeking unsuccessfully to win.

If ISIS or some broadly similar islamist movement wins, and I think that is not an improbable outcome, it would be because the Bush administration's Iraq venture, followed by Hillary clinton's ideologue approach to "arab" spring, made sure violent islamism had already won, before ISIS troubled itself to go to war and formalized its win.
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#7
RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
As long as we are posting quotes, how about this one. Sums up Dubya in a nutshell.

Quote: “No one starts a war--or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so--without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it.”

Carl Von Clauswitz, Prussian Military Theorist
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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
Oh, I think Dubya knew what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it, the only problem is what he intends to achieve is beyond our power and how he intends to conduct it does not bring what he intends to achieve any closer.

Much the same can be said of Obama's administration's handling of the "Arab spring".

Americans, like children, are nothing if not clear in what they want. What they are unclear about is - also like children - what it takes to achieve what they want and what automatically would come with getting what they want.
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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
Nah. The neo-cons expected to walk into Iraq and be greeted as liberators with the whole place becoming a happy little mid-east version of Switzerland in a couple of weeks.

They were naive to the point of abject stupidity. You can't just sprinkle Freedom Dust around.
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RE: "War Powers" and U.S. History.
(February 12, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nah. The neo-cons expected to walk into Iraq and be greeted as liberators with the whole place becoming a happy little mid-east version of Switzerland in a couple of weeks.

They were naive to the point of abject stupidity. You can't just sprinkle Freedom Dust around.

All the more because the freedom dust is so transparently nothing more than fake glitter.

"We can see this is fake"

"No! you need to close your eyes and be more stupid!"

Which, if you think about it, is not surprising from one who hews close to the christian heritage.
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