Moral Compass

[Little Rik]

I thought you knew the story about the MANNA.
When the Israelites left Egypt and wander through the desert they were sort of starving so they complained with Moses (their leader).
The Lord told Moses that He would “rain bread from heaven” for them...........and bread fall from the sky according to the legend.
They called this food the MANNA.
Now i just wanted to show you that the atheist expectation that the consciousness that human being got according to you is like the MANNA
or a miracle that fall on us human being.
Unfortunately the life teach us that everything that we got has been conquered with hard work.
Nothing come for free so to believe that we never existed before and not having been through so many reincarnation in order to achieve this consciousness is none but a dogma.

You have posted nothing to support that rather silly assertion so I can comfortably answer that it is just plain wrong.
Now I could post lots of articles where the workings of the brain have been studied in detail but you haven't bothered to post anything so neither will I.
Its Easter and I have better things to do.

Well well, if you are so knowledgeable about the working of the brain you can also tell me if there is any relationship between the brain and the consciousness.
Is the consciousness a product of the brain or not?
Can the consciousness live without a brain?
Please big man try to help little rik to understand.   

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Please note that i said......ACCORDING TO YOGA.....and not.....this is how it is because i say so. 

 

First and foremost, FUCK YOU.

You are not allowed to decide how we live because you are disiliuiosned be your silly beliefs that cannot surprass any rational ingenuity.

 Here we got one more RATIONAL person.

Tell me Mr RATIONAL.
Is rational to believe that the consciousness that humans being got come from nowhere as atheists believe.
Note that my saying nowhere imply that atheists think that is a product of the previous generation and not 
something achieved by us in previous lives. 

[Lakul]

Yes, consciousness is a product of the brain. Without a brain you have no consciousness.

Consciousness ends when the brain ceases to function (properly) or is destroyed.

There are also different levels of awareness, either due to brain damage, disease, or disorder, among other things. It is very easy to trick the brain into 'seeing', 'hearing', and 'feeling' things (ever hear a loud boom just as you're falling asleep? Yup, it's all in your head!). Drugs can cause or magnify these effects. Often times you'll see tribal leaders from various parts of the world partake in drugs so that they may connect with their gods.

The brain, and likewise 'consciousness', didn't come from just 'nothing', but rather, it is a product from a lone line in evolution. The same process in which your eyes, ears, mouth, teeth, fingers, belly-button, and nose hairs co-evolved alongside the innards of your noggin ^^

You are free to believe as you wish, however. But it will not change what we have learned, or will come to learn. The Earth did not become round when scientists said it was round. It's always been round, even when scientists said it was flat, and will, hopefully, continue to be round until the sun blows up into a red giant in 5 billion or so years.

Likewise, the answers to our many questions about the universe and life are also out there, have always been out there, and will continue to be out there as we seek to find them. It is dishonest to assert something as true just because we don't have all the answers, or when reality states something else.

And, as it is, reality states that consciousness ceases when the brain ceases ^^

[Polaris]

TL;DR
 
And so, I VERY much want to have a conversation with my parents to get across this simple point:

Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you're told.
Religion is doing what you're told, regardless of what is right.

I would very much appreciate some sources covering objective/subjective morality and why god-given 'moral compasses' are disturbing and bullnyerk. 

Ah yes, the moral argument. 

Almost every debate I've ever been in with a theist, no matter how it starts, always seems to degrade into, "Well, where do you get your morality?". Usually this comes after every one of their previous arguments have been refuted.

I would suggest searching Youtube for Matt Dillahunty's talk called, "The Superiority of Secular Morality". There are a couple of versions of the talk. 


Matt actually argues for an objective morality of sorts, based the objective reality that we all live in the same physical universe, inhabiting (more or less) the same bodies. 

I think he makes a pretty strong argument.

Unfortunaetly for his his opinions, half the secular world in the 20th century proved secular morality has proven to have adopted the worst of religious immorality.

[robvalue]

What do you mean by this please? What things did secular morality adopt that are so bad?

[Chad32]

Can you explain why some place like Canada is worse than Saudi Arabia?

[Polaris]

What do you mean by this please? What things did secular morality adopt that are so bad?

Persecution and genocide in the manner of the Inquisition.

Can you explain why some place like Canada is worse than Saudi Arabia?

Canada is worse than Saudi Arabia because it's Canada. Their flag is a leaf and everywhere smells like poo.

[Lakul]

B-but...they have good maple syrup T.T

[robvalue]

Edit: never mind. Not going any further.

[downbeatplumb]

Well well, if you are so knowledgeable about the working of the brain you can also tell me if there is any relationship between the brain and the consciousness.

Consciousness is the output of a functioning brain of a suitably evolved organism.

Is the consciousness a product of the brain or not?

Consciousness is the product of a functioning brain.

Can the consciousness live without a brain?

No.

Please big man try to help little rik to understand. 

There you go.  
I can say all the above with confidence because that is what all the research tells us.

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[Little Rik]

Consciousness is the output of a functioning brain of a suitably evolved organism.






Consciousness is the product of a functioning brain.






No.





There you go.  
I can say all the above with confidence because that is what all the research tells us.

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I am afraid downbeat that your confidence is going to be shattered in pieces.
Researchers so far have been guessing but NO EVIDENCE has so far emerged from their studies.
In fact most of the researchers these days think the opposite which is that the brain is a product of the consciousness.
Just go to google and see for yourself. 
 
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid...he%20brain



Another example would be the fact that conscious mental activity appears to continue after death. Some near death experiences (NDErs) have reported out of body experiences during cardiac arrest. In these cases, it’s interesting that these experiences have occurred when there is no electrical activity in the brain following cardiac arrest.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014...ver-of-it/

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Yes, consciousness is a product of the brain. Without a brain you have no consciousness.

Consciousness ends when the brain ceases to function (properly) or is destroyed.

There are also different levels of awareness, either due to brain damage, disease, or disorder, among other things. It is very easy to trick the brain into 'seeing', 'hearing', and 'feeling' things (ever hear a loud boom just as you're falling asleep? Yup, it's all in your head!). Drugs can cause or magnify these effects. Often times you'll see tribal leaders from various parts of the world partake in drugs so that they may connect with their gods.

The brain, and likewise 'consciousness', didn't come from just 'nothing', but rather, it is a product from a lone line in evolution. The same process in which your eyes, ears, mouth, teeth, fingers, belly-button, and nose hairs co-evolved alongside the innards of your noggin ^^

You are free to believe as you wish, however. But it will not change what we have learned, or will come to learn. The Earth did not become round when scientists said it was round. It's always been round, even when scientists said it was flat, and will, hopefully, continue to be round until the sun blows up into a red giant in 5 billion or so years.

Likewise, the answers to our many questions about the universe and life are also out there, have always been out there, and will continue to be out there as we seek to find them. It is dishonest to assert something as true just because we don't have all the answers, or when reality states something else.

And, as it is, reality states that consciousness ceases when the brain ceases ^^

As downbeat you also are a big dreamer.
You say...................It is dishonest to assert something as true just because we don't have all the answers, or when reality states something else................ 
......and then you state..........Yes, consciousness is a product of the brain. Without a brain you have no consciousness.

In other words you state as true something that so far researchers have NOT found evidence for.
So who is the dishonest?