Failure condition for god

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. If A doesn't exist, then the belief that A exists is false.

It makes the belief wrong, not false.  A belief isn't a statement of fact, but a statement of that which the believer thinks is correct.
For example, if I say, 'I believe there are no gods' after at least one god is proven to exist, the statement is still true, as long as I hold it sincerely.  This is precisely the condition that holds when people express belief that ETs built the pyramids or that Loch Ness is home to a plesiosaur.
Boru

[robvalue]

If God knows everything, he really should know what would be good enough evidence to convince us individually that he exists. If he refuses to take such action, he's being needlessly annoying.

It sounds to me alpha like you're saying you would have no way to distinguish between God doing something or appearing, and there being some alternative explanation. How could you tell the difference?

[John V]

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. If A doesn't exist, then the belief that A exists is false.

It makes the belief wrong, not false.

Same thing.

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If God knows everything, he really should know what would be good enough evidence to convince us individually that he exists.

If God knows everything, he knows who will accept him, and who will still reject him despite sufficient evidence of his existence. Pushing evidence on the latter group would be the needless annoyance.

It sounds to me alpha like you're saying you would have no way to distinguish between God doing something or appearing, and there being some alternative explanation.

Yes, it necessarily comes down to faith in the end.

[robvalue]

A belief can be justified but false. For example, I believe each time I get in my car, it's the same car. That would be justified belief by most people's standards I would think. But it could be false, the car could have been swapped one or more times for another very similar car. If my car has in been swapped, my belief is still be justified that it is the same car.

What is enough justification for a belief is a matter of opinion to some degree of course.

[John V]

A belief can be justified but false. For example, I believe each time I get in my car, it's the same car. That would be justified belief by most people's standards I would think. But it could be false, the car could have been swapped one or more times for another very similar car. If my car has in been swapped, my belief is still be justified that it is the same car.

What is enough justification for a belief is a matter of opinion to some degree of course.

Agreed.

[jesus_wept]

Atheism has a failure condition, if only god would choose to show himself.

And how would he show himself that could not be explained in some other manner?

Any god worth his salt should be able to figure this out himself.

[Mystic]

A universe without God would have no consciousness in it. If there is consciousness, there is soul. If there is a soul, there is a spiritual cause to it. 

[Iroscato]

A universe without God would have no consciousness in it. If there is consciousness, there is soul. If there is a soul, there is a spiritual cause to it. 

Pretty words with zero substance behind them. You disappoint me.
A universe without God is the one we live in today. Natural forces such as gravity and electrostatic attraction bind atoms together, which eventually become dense enough to trigger nuclear fusion. This gives rise to stars as the expulsive outward force of the reaction equalises with gravity, and a stable nuclear reaction is established. The remaining dust clouds around the star clump together to eventually form planets. A very small margin of these planets harbour the right conditions such as temperature, atmosphere and water content to allow primitive single-celled life to develop, perhaps helped along by catalysts such as lightning strikes and meteorite impacts, which speed the chemical processes up considerably.

Eventually, these primitive organisms given billions of years of constant mutation and change, will develop into creatures that can start to not just live according to their survival and reproductive instincts, but think and feel and question. They start to develop culture, cities and farming.
We ARE the consciousness of the universe. We are able to look at the stars and question their origins. We are the only way in which the universe can know itself, unless there are others like us on other worlds. This is because there is no intelligence guiding it, just the outcomes of the laws of physics given a VERY long time to play around with.

[Chas]

A universe without God would have no consciousness in it. If there is consciousness, there is soul. If there is a soul, there is a spiritual cause to it. 

Unsupported assertions.  Do you have any science to back this up?

[Mystic]

Consciousness is not a physical thing, neither can it be created solely by physical forces.  This has been obvious to most of humanity through history, with most concluding we thus have a soul.

We inherit our good actions and inherit our evil actions, we increase in value or decrease in value, all this is non-physical, and it's obvious we are connected to a spiritual kingdom by which our actions raise us or bring us down. 

Darkness created by evil actions and light created by good actions is an obvious fact to most of humanity through out history, all believing in darkness and light.

Atheists deny things we all know to be true. It's not our obligation to show obvious properly basic facts, we can simply remind about it, and that is sufficient.