I NEED logical support...

[Minimalist]

http://cchnet.net/about-hospice/four-levels-of-care/

Routine Home Care

This is the most common level of hospice care. Routine home care includes, but is not limited to, nursing and home health aide services. Patients may receive Routine Hospice Care in their home or what they “call home”—in a long-term care or assisted living facility.
Continuous Home Care
Continuous Home Care is provided during periods of crisis in which a patient requires continuous nursing care to achieve palliation or management of acute medical symptoms. This intensive care is provided in the patient’s home or facility where they live. In addition to being visited by the team members, the patient will receive up to 24 hours a day care by a licensed nurse and hospice aide, when on Continuous Home Care.
General Inpatient Care
General Inpatient Care is care for pain control and symptom management that cannot effectively be provided in other settings. It is usually of a short-term nature and can be provided in a hospital, hospice unit or long-term care facility. Compassionate Care Hospice has dedicated inpatient hospice units in some of our programs.
Respite Care
Respite Care is short-term inpatient care provided to the patient when necessary for the purpose of providing a break in caregiving to the patient’s caregiver(s). It is only provided on an occasional basis, for a maximum of five days approximately every 90 days. Respite Care is provided in a hospital, hospice unit or long-term care facility.

Sounds like Level #2 which is what my dad was in until he suddenly took a turn for the worse and was admitted to an Inpatient facility.  At first he was in bad shape but by the second day he seemed to have rallied.  He was joking with my brother and I and even asked me to bring the dog the next day (which was allowed.)  I duly showed up with the dog and the nurse met us at the door and said he was "unresponsive."  When I noted that the day before he had seemed so much better she shook her said and said that frequently they seem to rally before the end.  He died early the next morning.  But they knew what was going to happen.

In your case I suspect you were projecting your fears.  A very sick 97 year old is unlikely to recover.

[SteelCurtain]

Do you expect us to have a logical explanation for what you experienced based on the 6 lines you fucking posted and not knowing anything at all about your grandmother's illness and other factors? Your insistence that you are not an idiot is a shaky position. Sorry I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear.

Yes. People come out of hospice all the time. Not the norm, but the body has amazing abilities to recover when we think it won't. The incidence of a person coming out of hospice a second time is much lower. Not having those numbers in front of me, mind you, but it seems an unassailable point.

Subconsciously, we pick up on cues we are not fully aware of. You saying this happened with no warning is stupid. She was in hospice. You at least knew that she could die. She was 97. My grandma turned 93 four days ago. She's not in hospice, but if she died today, I couldn't be surprised. And the very fact that I'm talking about her now would seem eerie. The fact is that you visited your grandma recently, and you likely picked up on some signs that things were nearing the end. Hospice workers will recount smells that are very faint that they pick up on after working with so many dying patients, they will report elevation in mood right at the end. Lots of things that may seem good would have been just out of sorts enough for your subconscious to pick up on it, her to be on your mind, and your brain to connect the dots, even if you are not fully aware of it.

If you want us to laud your psychic skills, you're barking up the wrong tree. If you want us to come to some sort of epiphany regarding an internet stranger's supernatural tale, good luck.

You're a jerk (to put it lightly), I'll leave it at that..

I'm sorry you don't like my response. But remember how you entered our community. You NEED logical support, and I offered up a pretty concise bit of logic in an attempt to raise your consciousness about the fact that you might have selection bias about not thinking about how your 97 year old grandmother being in hospice could affect your subconscious.

Then you summarily dismissed my point as beneath your level. I was responding in kind. If we're both jerks, that's fine. But don't point to my rudeness while ignoring your own.

[JesusHChrist]

Truth of what exactly?

Poor choice of words...

What would a good choice of words be?

[rsngfrce]

http://cchnet.net/about-hospice/four-levels-of-care/

Routine Home Care

This is the most common level of hospice care. Routine home care includes, but is not limited to, nursing and home health aide services. Patients may receive Routine Hospice Care in their home or what they “call home”—in a long-term care or assisted living facility.
Continuous Home Care
Continuous Home Care is provided during periods of crisis in which a patient requires continuous nursing care to achieve palliation or management of acute medical symptoms. This intensive care is provided in the patient’s home or facility where they live. In addition to being visited by the team members, the patient will receive up to 24 hours a day care by a licensed nurse and hospice aide, when on Continuous Home Care.
General Inpatient Care
General Inpatient Care is care for pain control and symptom management that cannot effectively be provided in other settings. It is usually of a short-term nature and can be provided in a hospital, hospice unit or long-term care facility. Compassionate Care Hospice has dedicated inpatient hospice units in some of our programs.
Respite Care
Respite Care is short-term inpatient care provided to the patient when necessary for the purpose of providing a break in caregiving to the patient’s caregiver(s). It is only provided on an occasional basis, for a maximum of five days approximately every 90 days. Respite Care is provided in a hospital, hospice unit or long-term care facility.

Sounds like Level #2 which is what my dad was in until he suddenly took a turn for the worse and was admitted to an Inpatient facility.  At first he was in bad shape but by the second day he seemed to have rallied.  He was joking with my brother and I and even asked me to bring the dog the next day (which was allowed.)  I duly showed up with the dog and the nurse met us at the door and said he was "unresponsive."  When I noted that the day before he had seemed so much better she shook her said and said that frequently they seem to rally before the end.  He died early the next morning.  But they knew what was going to happen.

In your case I suspect you were projecting your fears.  A very sick 97 year old is unlikely to recover.

While I must admit, upon close examination, there is some possible truth in my case to what you are saying and a logical answer is better than what I am suggesting, without a doubt, I don't really believe I was projecting. If I was, why was I doing it on the day it happened? I truly do understand this concept, but I don't THINK I have been projecting that before when it didn't happen.

Amazing coincidence?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Without any particular forewarning? She was in hospice. People who are in hospice die. That's what it is for.

I hope I can get a better level of response than this. I am not an idiot. As I said, she was in hospice FOR THE SECOND TIME! The first time was almost two years ago. Hospice = dead within 6 months. Despite the fact that she was in hospice AGAIN, the last time I saw her, she was great. I don't have to spell out every single detail, accept the truth of what I am saying please!

You asked for logic, why are you insulting him when he offers it up? The woman was 97 years old and clearly was expected to die soon.  Having a feeling that she might die wouldn't be abnormal, and her dying close upon the heels of one of those twinges is not unusual either.

How many times she was in the hospice is irrelevant.

[abaris]

Without any particular forewarning, I knew she was going to die yesterday. When she died yesterday, I knew it happened. I am serious, I am not trolling, this is not easy for me!

I struggle to understand how I could have LOGICALLY both known this was going to and did happen. I had some connection to her that was cut (or something) and I can't understand the existence of that in a logical world...  


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My mother claimed the same about her sister dying of tubercolosis during the war. But in both instances there were some signs. Tubercolosis was pretty much incurable in 1944 and your gran was in a hospice.

In fact, I could say the same about my father dying. I simply knew when the phonecall would come - or so I claim. He suffered a stroke ten days earlier and showed no signs of recovery. So expecting to hear the news isn't exactly supernatural or a special bond.

[rsngfrce]

You're a jerk (to put it lightly), I'll leave it at that..

I'm sorry you don't like my response. But remember how you entered our community. You NEED logical support, and I offered up a pretty concise bit of logic in an attempt to raise your consciousness about the fact that you might have selection bias about not thinking about how your 97 year old grandmother being in hospice could affect your subconscious.

Then you summarily dismissed my point as beneath your level. I was responding in kind. If we're both jerks, that's fine. But don't point to my rudeness while ignoring your own.

"But remember how you entered our community."

This is why I seldom last long on any forums. The elite users who think they own it just because they've been there longer, so obviously they know more about everything and must be respected...

[Minimalist]

Amazing coincidence?

In essence. 

[abaris]

This is why I seldom last long on any forums. The elite users who think they own it just because they've been there longer, so obviously they know more about everything and must be respected...

Well, maybe it has more to do with a general sense of respect. Just a thought, since being on a forum is still dealing with human beings.

[Aroura]

I'm very sorry for your loss. However, it seems you already have your mind made up.
This is a type of confirmation bias. You never once before that feared she might have died? You aren't "forgetting" those times?

It's hardly an amazing coincidence that you felt your grandmother, who was 97, in hospice and as you say, in very ill health, to have died. I'm sorry. Sometimes the mind plays very convincing tricks on you, and yes, sometimes things really are just a coincidence (in this case, not terribly amazing).

All the same, my condolences.