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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:06 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 3:49 pm)comet Wrote: lmao, get over yourself would you. I made a simple post that didn't claim much past answering the OP. You boys get your anti-whatever panties in a bunch.
Just stick to the facts and point out where I am wrong or go get somebody that can.
Where you are wrong is making unfounded assertions and then acting like a jackass when it has been pointed out to you that you are arguing by mere assertion. Then you are wrong for making the unscientific leap that quantum entanglement can lead to psychic premonitions, which you again try to simply assert by fiat. You are also wrong for conceitedly deriding anyone who dares to disagree with your baseless assertions by using character assassination. Scientific you are not.
(Then there's the matter of your shitty font size...)
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm)whateverist Wrote: (June 16, 2015 at 3:59 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What in the hell does that post even mean.
I think he is saying he gets to mind fuck you but when you do it you are projecting your "emotion based beliefs". You can't compare your own motivations to that of the special.
And I am thuggish. to funny. I think you may be jealous. 
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm
Methinks someone joined just to be angry and get into arguments. Just a hunch.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:11 pm
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(June 16, 2015 at 3:06 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Using someone's grief to push your religion is pretty fucked up, even for you Steve-o.
Bringing up what his grandmother believed versus, what, telling him it's all in his head? Perhaps you should remind him what the motto is: ...there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:12 pm
You're pretty disgustingly dishonest, Steve.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm by comet.)
(June 16, 2015 at 4:06 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Where you are wrong is making unfounded assertions and then acting like a jackass when it has been pointed out to you that you are arguing by mere assertion. Then you are wrong for making the unscientific leap that quantum entanglement can lead to psychic premonitions, which you again try to simply assert by fiat. You are also wrong for conceitedly deriding anyone who dares to disagree with your baseless assertions by using character assassination. Scientific you are not.
(Then there's the matter of your shitty font size...)
it wasn't a flat out assertion. It was a possible link. Other than labeling it an assertion can you point out where the assertion is wrong in that it is not possible to use the properties I used because I used them wrong?
I have no idea whats going on with the font size. It looks big on my screen. I used number 3.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
You've asserted:
Quote:Many are faked but a few are real.
and...
Quote:But entanglement suggest that it is very possible.
Those are both baseless and unfounded.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 3:04 pm)SteveII Wrote: There are many many many stories where people knew something they shouldn't otherwise have known. This would suggest that there is more in our universe than the physical. Perhaps you should rethink your atheism and check out what your grandmother believed. If you really had a close relationship, she was probably praying for you all the time. James 5:16 - The effective prayer of a righteous [wo]man can accomplish much.
There are also plenty of examples of people guessing right based on subliminal cues, or even nothing at all.
You get back to me on this when you can delineate a specific cause-effect relationship between your superstition and his reportage. Otherwise, it just looks like you're trying to shove your god anywhere there isn't an answer.
If you've got to shove him somewhere, I have a suggestion or two.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:33 pm
(June 5, 2015 at 1:18 pm)rsngfrce Wrote: (June 5, 2015 at 1:07 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm very sorry for your loss, and I'm aware of how blunt my next words might appear but..
Look, you said you're looking for "logical support" and SteelCurtain gave you his appraisal of the situation. What exactly are you looking for us to say? We're certainly not going to posit that you actually have the aiblity to predict the imminent deaths of other people.
No, it is NOT logical that I can predict the imminent death of other people. MY PROBLEM is that I feel that is what I did (and I stress, not "other people", but a special person). However, I have more problem personally with the fact that I KNEW that it happened. I know I cannot come here and convince you of this. I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS MYSELF! It makes NO logical sense to me, but it happened...
Think about when the last time you saw her was. I bet she was in pretty rough shape, and sometimes our mind knows and locks things away with out us actually knowing them. The brain is funky like that and I won't lie because we are just beginning to learn about it. So its possible that your put together she was gonna die without you thinking or knowing about it.
However even if super natural empathic connections are possible as some people claim it has no bearing at all on weither there is a God or any particular religion being true, so no need for a crisis. I'm very sorry to here about your loss as well. I have experienced similar loss and it sucks.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 16, 2015 at 4:37 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 3:04 pm)SteveII Wrote: (June 5, 2015 at 12:53 pm)rsngfrce Wrote: So... I've just joined and this is my first post ever on an Atheist forum. I am an Atheist. The reason I am posting is because of an occurrence which has forced me to question my logic and I am looking for input from those who may possess a better understanding (to the degree that is possible) of these things than I do.
My grandmother was 97 years old. I had a very special bond with her, she was the relative that I inherited my intelligence from. She believed in god, but at her age, I cannot blame her for that.
She had been in poor psychical health for a long time and was in hospice for the SECOND time. Mentally, at age 97, she was 100%! She was strong proof that mental strength beats psychical strength any day. I was always convinced that she would live until she was ready to go.
Without any particular forewarning, I knew she was going to die yesterday. When she died yesterday, I knew it happened. I am serious, I am not trolling, this is not easy for me!
I struggle to understand how I could have LOGICALLY both known this was going to and did happen. I had some connection to her that was cut (or something) and I can't understand the existence of that in a logical world... 
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There are many many many stories where people knew something they shouldn't otherwise have known. This would suggest that there is more in our universe than the physical. Perhaps you should rethink your atheism and check out what your grandmother believed. If you really had a close relationship, she was probably praying for you all the time. James 5:16 - The effective prayer of a righteous [wo]man can accomplish much.
Time to drive home my previous point. In what way would human precognition price that a God does indeed exist and that it is actually the Christian god as opposed to Brahma?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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