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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:27 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 3:05 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: I can't wait to see the disappointment on your face when you come face to face with Allah and he wants to know why you read the wrong book.
There was no guessing to it, God's the only one who came to me and wanted to give me the wonders He promises. No other god has ever shown up.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:28 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 3:05 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: I can't wait to see the disappointment on your face when you come face to face with Allah and he wants to know why you read the wrong book.
I wouldn't worry myself about that if I were you. If Allah happened to be real you want make it before him.
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Luckily I understand that you refuse to accept that the word you want here is won't not want. Thought we'd been through that several times.
"If Allah happened to be real". Oh how my sides split with the pure irony.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:29 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 3:05 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: I can't wait to see the disappointment on your face when you come face to face with Allah and he wants to know why you read the wrong book.
Ah, but there are things that some religions have that most of the others don't.
- Billions of people who worship every day.
- People who have and continue to give up their lives for their beliefs (why would they do that if they were wrong?)
- A holy book that has spread around the world
- The holy book that revealed scientific truths before science discovered them
So, when you put all of these facts into practice, it's undeniable that Islam is right!
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:29 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: Is it fair to them for God to drag them into heaven kicking and screaming, He would be putting them in an eternal punishment by doing so, So Heaven would be eternal punishment for someone who doesn't want to go there. Okay.
Quote:He has a place reserved for those who do not want to be with Him.
And isn't this place also supposed to be eternal punishment?
How is it you so easily missed the simple statement I made?
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:30 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So Heaven would be eternal punishment for someone who doesn't want to go there. Okay.
And isn't this place also supposed to be eternal punishment?
How is it you so easily missed the simple statement I made?
GC
Make it simpler then, for my simple mind.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:33 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (June 21, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: The point is we get to live a life and decide what to do with it. God does know, we do not, If we do not get to live our life how can we be judged for it? If God put us in heaven or hell without us living life He makes the decision.
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Quote:Does everything happen according to God's plan?
Which plan?
Quote:Does anything happen that is a surprise to God?
No!
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:38 pm
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(June 23, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: Being saved can't be God's choice, his desire yes, ...
You still have not aswered the oringinal question.
Why not just ask us after we were created?
"Abracadabra! now you exist. Do you want to hang here or be tortured for all eternity?"
Instead of this insignificant mortality thing? Really, what is the point?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:38 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: What if everyone doesn't want to be saved, this forum is full of that type of people. They are saying that they do not want to be saved by the god you believe exists. Which is understandable, because the god described in the Bible is a scary combination of a being who is both unpredictable and unstoppable. But if it's a god who is truly kind and loving and generous and wants the best for us, I don't see anyone who would reject that. It's just not what they expect from your god.
Godschild Wrote:Being saved can't be God's choice, I don't see why not. God is no ordinary parent, imperfect and sinful and unable to do much more than bring a child into the world and try to raise it as best they can. God is perfect in every way and able to provide much more than any human can, including knowing exactly what is best for each and every one of us. To leave us to our own devices is to ensure that most of us do not get what he actually wants for us. That seems very cruel.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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Double post.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why are we here?
June 23, 2015 at 3:47 pm
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(June 23, 2015 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Quote: Which plan?
His entire plain. For us, for the universe....everything.
Quote:No!
So then, we really don't have a choice.
God created humanity, knowing all along that the vast majority will be punished for eternity. Nice!
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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