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Yes that is the general consensus of most others.
Yes that is the general consensus of most others.
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Best of all possible worlds offense
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I just realised what you are doing.
You are typing in Arabic or Chinese and letting "Google translate" do its thing? GOOGLE NO GOOD! NO GOOD! USE OTHER ONES! OVER!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.  (June 25, 2015 at 8:51 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: All are one God. It is unity and a way of being that we may again attain despite our retched, manipulative, twisted inherent ways. That is the grace. Yes evil very well is a separate thing. It is indeed the unspeakable for mere speech or even thought of such is enough to derail this frail balance. Diseases, cancers natural disasters things seemingly out of our control can be linked to evil, bad, negative, or chaos, anarchy, indifference, the actual waste of energy. Even mathematics the true science is intricately enveloped in true philosophy. Positive+ Positive= positive. ![[Image: wHLmRX1.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i.imgur.com%2FwHLmRX1.gif)
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
What is crazy in small doses but a difference from societal normality?
 (June 25, 2015 at 9:02 am)robvalue Wrote: There another implicit assumption that often gets overlooked. These arguments assume that God actually cares about us at all. Like you say, what he wants may well not be best for us. It might even be terrible for us. How can we tell the difference between a good god who doesn't lie, and a lying God who tells us he doesn't lie? Unless you have God-lie detecting powers, you can't. So all you can judge it on is his "actions" which are shit. ![[Image: media_httpwwwsmbccomi_eslfe-scaled1000.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=monicks.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F04%2Fmedia_httpwwwsmbccomi_eslfe-scaled1000.gif) also ![[Image: 20100811.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.smbc-comics.com%2Fcomics%2F20100811.gif)
How will we know, when the morning comes, we are still human? - 2D
Don't worry, my friend. If this be the end, then so shall it be.  RE: Best of all possible worlds offense
June 25, 2015 at 10:35 am
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(June 25, 2015 at 9:02 am)robvalue Wrote: There another implicit assumption that often gets overlooked. These arguments assume that God actually cares about us at all. Like you say, what he wants may well not be best for us. It might even be terrible for us. How can we tell the difference between a good god who doesn't lie, and a lying God who tells us he doesn't lie? Unless you have God-lie detecting powers, you can't. So all you can judge it on is his "actions" which are shit. You know, something I just thought of: what if humans are just part of God's greater good, and not the end result? Rather than God trying to make the best possible world for us that happens to include suffering, maybe he's trying to make the best possible universe, and humans that suffer helps that out. I mean, I've heard Christians say before that you can't have good without evil, light without dark, happiness without suffering, etc. Maybe humans that suffer, and humans that go to hell exist solely so God can be happier in heaven! It's logically consistent with most apologetics concerning the problem of evil and similar topics. (June 25, 2015 at 9:05 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: Jfyi; it states to fear not that the lord will give the truth when conversing nonbelievers. In faith and right positive of course. And how do you know he's telling the truth? How do you know you can trust God or trust the Bible?
There is no assumption. It states that he loves us. That he is merciful, and just. Why would he be these ways if he didn't care. Of course it isn't our plan most are oblivious to it. It is however best for us to observe that the creator of all good in the Universe has the best intentions for us.
The truth removes all question, doubt, and, regret from the equation as opposed to feeling, causing, witnessing pain or suffering, doubt, remorse, guilt which is caused by and exists because of other forces altogether.
How can one be just and merciful, when mercy is the suspension of justice?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson  (June 25, 2015 at 11:16 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: How can one be just and merciful, when mercy is the suspension of justice? No one can without stepping on a whole row of those no matter how justified someone is there is always someone on the receiving end. Paul of the bible said god is not just and all good, and he is right considering he pointed out there is no free will and we are either created to go to heaven or hell. He points out that the out decision was made even before creation and that even with getting "saved" by jesus it still wouldn't matter we still end up in hell.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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He is merciful in that you can be forgiven. He is just in that those who repeatedly sin after knowing better without regard will have to pay for there sins one way or another. Not all sin equates to not returning to everything good necessarily.
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