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Metal and Hard Rock discussion thread
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Grunge is basically a label for any rebellious music that came out of the Seattle scene - Nirvana is essentially punk influenced along with some rock and roll classics and Kurt Cobain confirmed that - Pearl Jam is harder to define and Alice in Chains is definitely metal, labeling them just as grunge is demeaning.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
 (July 4, 2015 at 9:07 am)Dystopia Wrote: I just wouldn't put Nirvana on a hard rock thread In the Pines goes way back even before rock, but let me say this: you don't hear that particular brand of plaintive scream in punk. Led Zep, sure. I can totally imagine Zep covering that tune.
I agree, and Kurt Cobain liked hard rock bands like AC/DC so it's natural he had many influences. I still think Nirvana is closer to punk though.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
(July 4, 2015 at 9:12 am)Dystopia Wrote: Grunge is basically a label for any rebellious music that came out of the Seattle scene - Nirvana is essentially punk influenced along with some rock and roll classics and Kurt Cobain confirmed that - Pearl Jam is harder to define and Alice in Chains is definitely metal, labeling them just as grunge is demeaning. That unplugged tune defined in a moment why glam metal had to die-- too much self-aggrandizing masturbation, too little sincere communication with an audience participating in a shared experience. I mean, stand Axl Rose and Kurt Cobain together, and you'll see that one's a fucking peacock, and one's a serious artist. That's not to undermine the great contributions of great metal artists, which for the most part I like better-- a very small percent of them were Poison.  I'm curious how you are defining "metal." I see it as rooted in certain song structures, certain musical philosophies, certain lyric themes, etc. Alice in chains has some vaguely metal-sounding stuff, but I don't see that overall they have the attitudes or sound that I would call metal. RE: Metal and Hard Rock discussion thread
July 4, 2015 at 9:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2015 at 9:40 am by bennyboy.)
(July 4, 2015 at 9:31 am)Dystopia Wrote: Speaking of Zep, underrated song How is it underrated? It's one of the best songs ever! Dammit, now I have to go listen to Led Zep for the next three or four days. Thanks! (July 4, 2015 at 9:18 am)Dystopia Wrote: I agree, and Kurt Cobain liked hard rock bands like AC/DC so it's natural he had many influences. I still think Nirvana is closer to punk though.lol Yeah, half of it sounds like punk on better drugs, and the other half sounds like punk the day after. It's not metal, but I'd say it's still hard rock. RE: Metal and Hard Rock discussion thread
July 4, 2015 at 9:40 am
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2015 at 9:40 am by bennyboy.)
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Well most people know famous songs like Whole Lotta Love, Stairway, Immigrant Song, Rock And Roll, etc but only people who listen to the whole albums find these amazing songs. (This is the last song in the original self titled album)
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
I don't know what you mean by "one's a serious artist", arguably I could say Kurt Cobain was bad because he was an average guitar player, songs were simplistic and lyrics sometimes didn't make sense
Metal is a huge rock subgenre and it's essentially heavier rock with a particular specific sound. It's hard to explain
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
(July 4, 2015 at 9:43 am)Dystopia Wrote: I don't know what you mean by "one's a serious artist", arguably I could say Kurt Cobain was bad because he was an average guitar player, songs were simplistic and lyrics sometimes didn't make sense That's the point of grunge, though: to take it away from guitar-hero virtuosos and bring it back into kids' garages and warehouse parties. I'm pretty sure that's what Cobain meant when he said he couldn't surpass the Unplugged performance: that he could never achieve that musical connection to that degree again. The art isn't in clocking notes-per-minute like Yngwie (who I would love to rape with his own guitar), it's in relating musically to other humans beings-- cuz SOMEONE is supposed to be listening. Why isn't Yngwie considered the greatest metal musician? It's because he fails to communicate feelings-- he lets his technical perfection get in the way of actually expressing anything. Cobain didn't, imo. |
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