Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America

[GUBU]

I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist.

I do. Wooters is on here defening people who have killed in an attempt to retain a statue which espouses everything that is repugnant to a moral person (strange that, as a catholic, you cannot see this. Actually, no not really, because unlike most catholics you put dogma above your own brain), while denigrating probably the greatest person your country has produced and castigating some other persons who temporarily defaced a statue of one of the most evil people Italy has ever produced solely because they espouse equal rights for minorities.

If that is not white supremacy then Hitler (another doctrinaire catholic) must of loved the jews.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. Honestly, I personally don't have a strong opinion on these statues either way. I guess the fairest thing to do would be to let the people of the city itself decide. My response was only to say that Neo's opinion on this particular issue with historical statues doesn't make him a supremacist sympathizer, even if it is the same opinion as the supremacist themselves.

Here's something to think about. What if the Confederate statues and monuments had not been ordered for removal? What would have happened in Charlottesville? Or better yet, what wouldn't have happened in Charlottesville? To many Southerners those Confederate monuments are a connection to their ancestry and culture.

To many Southerners, that "connection to their ancestry and culture" is one where their ancestors were bought and sold like so many bales of cotton. That "connection to their ancestry and culture" is one of knowing that the culture in which they live honors men who fought, died, and killed to defend their own right to own the ancestors of those walking past these statues. That "ancestry and culture" is one where their own slavery was "justified" by the "good Book" that their allegedly-Christian overlords force-fed them.

Here's something to think about: what if we stopped force-feeding blacks reminders of the subjugation of their race in our history? I'm sorry, but the butthurt of a few hundred doesn't stack up against the honest feelings of repression and alienation of millions deriving in part from the presence of these unnecessary reminders. Cry me a fucking river about your ancestry and culture.

[Amarok]

Here's something to think about. What if the Confederate statues and monuments had not been ordered for removal? What would have happened in Charlottesville? Or better yet, what wouldn't have happened in Charlottesville? To many Southerners those Confederate monuments are a connection to their ancestry and culture

1. Blaming the violence on a township removing a statue is bullshit
2. No what we should consider is what would happen if white nationalist scumbags had not driven a car into someone killing them .
3. For a great many southerners it is a reminder of there ancestors being sold like cattle. And a veneration of the men who defended it.
4. I'm sure we can find people in Germany who would feel the same about the Nazi's . It's an argument from  antiquity

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Cry me a fucking river about your ancestry and culture.

Indeed let the salty tears of butt hurt southern bells flow.

[Fake Messiah]

Before the leftists find a reason to deface, destroy or degrade this one, I thought some of you might like to see it one more time.



Because these babies are going down like flies. Remember when this went down because snowflakes couldn't handle it?


So better put on your brown shirts cuz Mt. Rushmore is NEXT!

[A Theist]

Here's something to think about. What if the Confederate statues and monuments had not been ordered for removal? What would have happened in Charlottesville? Or better yet, what wouldn't have happened in Charlottesville? To many Southerners those Confederate monuments are a connection to their ancestry and culture.

To many Southerners, that "connection to their ancestry and culture" is one where their ancestors were bought and sold like so many bales of cotton. That "connection to their ancestry and culture" is one of knowing that the culture in which they live honors men who fought, died, and killed to defend their own right to own the ancestors of those walking past these statues. That "ancestry and culture" is one where their own slavery was "justified" by the "good Book" that their allegedly-Christian overlords force-fed them.

Here's something to think about: what if we stopped force-feeding blacks reminders of the subjugation of their race in our history? I'm sorry, but the butthurt of a few hundred doesn't stack up against the honest feelings of repression and alienation of millions deriving in part from the presence of these unnecessary reminders. Cry me a fucking river about your ancestry and culture.

You can take what you know from your google education and leftwing indoctrination about Southern culture and ancestory and shove it all up your narrow minded snowflake ass. If racism and slavery and white red necks is all you think Southern culture is, then you are one petty and bigoted prick. Many of their ancestors who served in the Confederate army weren't slave owners. They were southerners who merely fought for the sole purpose of defending their states and their homes. Here's some more for your alligator mouth vs your jaybird ass to think about: Something that goes totally unmentioned by the identity politics of the left is that there were also free blacks, in uniform, who served in the Confederate army. If you want to harp on Southern racism, as someone else previously posted, there was also racism in the Northern army where white soldiers threatened to desert if they had to serve alongside with blacks. So should we start tearing down statues and monuments of Ulysses Grant and William Sherman, now? After that, let's move on to tearing down statues dedicated to Theodore Roosevelt because similar events happened under his command during the Spanish-American War. From there, let's move on to taking down statues dedicated to well known democrats from history, because, not only were some of them Klan members, but also that the Klan has its roots in the democrat party. So where do you want to stop in tearing down historical monuments that offend you? Those few hundred butt hurt white supremacists don't represent every conservative and every white person in the South, (No. You didn't say they did but there's too many who like to paint white southerners and conservatives with a broad brush), any more than the thousands of leftist antifa and bamn anarchist thugs who torch public and private property, who commit assault against people they disagree with, who riot to shut down the free speech rights of conservative speakers, who encourage violence against police officers, and who even attempted to murder a Republican congressman, represents every liberal.

Here's a thought for your self proclaimed libertarian views, since there were free blacks who served in the Confederate army, instead of tearing down monuments of Lee and Jackson and white Confederate soldiers, why not erect statues and monuments dedicated to the black Confederate soldiers along side the existing white Confederate statues and monuments?

His dedication to his southern ancestors who served.


No mention of slavery in this "Dixie Land" tune

[Rev. Rye]

I always find this ironic

“I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered"

Robert E Lee (the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869)

Bear in mind, he accepted responsibility for the failure of Pickett's Charge (something many Lost Causers tend to gloss over) and by extension The Confederacy's loss in the battle, so I expect that might explain it.

[Brian37]

To many Southerners, that "connection to their ancestry and culture" is one where their ancestors were bought and sold like so many bales of cotton. That "connection to their ancestry and culture" is one of knowing that the culture in which they live honors men who fought, died, and killed to defend their own right to own the ancestors of those walking past these statues. That "ancestry and culture" is one where their own slavery was "justified" by the "good Book" that their allegedly-Christian overlords force-fed them.

Here's something to think about: what if we stopped force-feeding blacks reminders of the subjugation of their race in our history? I'm sorry, but the butthurt of a few hundred doesn't stack up against the honest feelings of repression and alienation of millions deriving in part from the presence of these unnecessary reminders. Cry me a fucking river about your ancestry and culture.

You can take what you know from your google education and leftwing indoctrination about Southern culture and ancestory and shove it all up your narrow minded snowflake ass. If racism and slavery and white red necks is all you think Southern culture is, then you are one petty and bigoted prick. Many of their ancestors who served in the Confederate army weren't slave owners. They were southerners who merely fought for the sole purpose of defending their states and their homes. Here's some more for your alligator mouth vs your jaybird ass to think about: Something that goes totally unmentioned by the identity politics of the left is that were also free blacks, in uniform, who served in the Confederate army. If you want to harp on Southern racism, as someone else previously posted, there was also racism in the Northern army where white soldiers threatened to desert if they had to serve alongside with blacks. So should we start tearing down statues and monuments of Ulysses Grant and William Sherman, now? After that, let's move on to tearing down statues dedicated to Theodore Roosevelt because similar events happened under his command during the Spanish-American War. From there, let's move on to taking down statues dedicated to well known democrats from history, because, not only were some of them Klan members, but also that the Klan has its roots in the democrat party. So where do you want to stop in tearing down historical monuments that offend you? Those few hundred butt hurt white supremacists don't represent every conservative and every white person in the South, (No. You didn't say they did but there's too many who like to paint white southerners and conservatives with a broad brush), any more than the thousands of leftist antifa and bamn anarchist thugs who torch public and private property, who commit assault against people they disagree with, who riot to shut down the free speech rights of conservative speakers, who encourage violence against police officers, and who even attempted to murder a Republican congressman, represents every liberal.

Here's a thought for your self proclaimed libertarian views, since there were free blacks who served in the Confederate army, instead of tearing down monuments of Lee and Jackson and white Confederate soldiers, why not erect statues and monuments dedicated to the black Confederate soldiers along side the existing white Confederate statues and monuments?

His dedication to his southern ancestors who served.


No mention of slavery in this "Dixie Land" tune

Posting pictures of blacks holding the Rebel Flag does not excuse slavery fuckface.

What you are not getting is that you are actually in the same boat, not to the same degree as blacks or slaves, but in the context that you follow a party that gets you to vote against your own self interest. Yea he did that, so? Just like you cant understand that poor rural and middle class whites have the same fucking problem as urban blacks, lack of economic stability. 

No it is not illegal for blacks to support the GOP anymore than it is illegal for Jenner to support the GOP, my question to them would still be "Why?".

There is no proper context to glorify slavery. Moving statues out of the context of glorifying slavery is not the same as trying to erase history.

Now if you want poor and middle class whites to have good wages too, then pull you fucking head out of your ass and stop letting your party condone this bullshit, and stop allowing the billionaires who value corporate welfare to use social issues to divide blacks and whites.

But no, sorry, fuck you if you think there is any proper context for Nazis or Slavery outside a museum of what not to do to your fellow human being.

And no you whiny fucking snot, none of what I just typed means I want all white Christians dead. It just means you have your fucking head up your ass and you need to pull your head out of your fucking ass.

[Mister Agenda]

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. Honestly, I personally don't have a strong opinion on these statues either way. I guess the fairest thing to do would be to let the people of the city itself decide. My response was only to say that Neo's opinion on this particular issue with historical statues doesn't make him a supremacist sympathizer, even if it is the same opinion as the supremacist themselves.

Here's something to think about. What if the Confederate statues and monuments had not been ordered for removal? What would have happened in Charlottesville? Or better yet, what wouldn't have happened in Charlottesville? To many Southerners those Confederate monuments are a connection to their ancestry and culture.

And a continual reminder to black residents that white people still celebrate people that fought to keep their ancestors enslaved. But who gives a fuck about their ancestry and culture, amIright?

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I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You may disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.

It's about context. MLK was not campaigning for adultery. R.E. Lee was leading armies defending chatteldom; that was the notable achievement of his life. Not every context, and not every personage, is equally good. Germany has exactly zero statues of Hitler, but somehow they manage to remember their own history. How's that work?

You want historical significance? Put these statues in a museum ... and provide context for those who are otherwise deaf to it. Why are conservatives so afraid of museums?

I hear that Germany employs an arcane alternate means of remembering history: books.

[Amarok]

And you can take your white washed alt right website .Fox News inspired revisionist bullshit .And shove it up yours Adolf. As for the rest of your long whinny rant . It's either already been addressed Or is  not relevant . So you wrote a lot of bullshit for nothing shit head .

[Rev. Rye]

A Theist does actually have a point, even if it is mired in all the revisionist "Lost Cause of the South" mythos that became endemic in the South in the years since the Civil War.

While the Confederacy's entire raison d'etre was the perpetuation of slavery, to the extent that, with a few exceptions, its constitution was a copy-pasted version of the US Constitution made more racist (to the extent that earlier this week, I found no less than three passages where they explicitly said Confederate States had to allow slavery as a condition of being part of it (not to mention all the articles of secession that explicitly state slavery was a major concern of theirs, and the quotes from members of the Confederate cabinet who outright stated it), there was a rather severe disconnect between the reasons the Confederate Government fought and why many individual soldiers fought (up to and including General Lee, who was considered a top contender to head the Union Army until Virginia seceded): many of the soldiers saw themselves as being invaded by the North over something they had no control over and felt it was their duty to defend their homeland. I mentioned before the story related by Shelby Foote where a Union soldier found a poor soldier from Virginia and asked why he was fighting, and he said poor Confederate soldier in Virginia and asking him why he was fighting and he said "I'm fighting because you're down here."


Also, the issue of Black confederates is actually pretty complicated, Throughout the war, Black people had been part of the Confederate army, but they were strictly forbidden from bearing arms for the vast majority of the war, and while the subject came from time to time, the subject of changing the law was actively suppressed until in January 1865, Robert E. Lee requested it. They finally allowed black soldiers to enlist on March 13, 1865, and even at the time, people were saying stuff to the effect that "if this works, the whole premise for our nation is fucked." I'm sure they used more delicate phrasing, but I'm having a bit of difficulty in finding the exact quote, but I'm sure someone willing to put the time (even if it's just watching the last two episodes of Ken Burns' Civil War series and waiting for the subject to come up) can find it. Less than a month later, Appomatox happened and the war was over, so they didn't have much of a chance to distinguish themselves.