DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Mister Agenda]

I disagree.  I suggest you watch the movie if you are interested on this topic.  It is with Ben Stein and it is exactly about this topic we are discussing.  It's available below:

I hope they are paying you for your promotional efforts. It's the only way you'll gave gotten something worthwhile out of that movie.

[Abaddon_ire]

There is highly complex and specific information in DNA

Lie.

which can only come from a super intelligence. 

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The universe is also fine-tuned

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and had a beginning with the Big Bang.

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These are three key features of design. 

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There are tons of others,

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like the body plan of living systems,... 

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Information in DNA is the proof though.

Lie.

Every time you lie jesus cries.

[CDF47]

I must be missing something, why is this idiot troll worth 150 pages?

Because, like those Bozo punching bags, he just bounces back up when you knock him down. He's like Lil Rik, who can certainly keep a thread going through sheer obtuseness.

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The truth is suppressed all the time.  Where have you been?  Look at the government cover-ups of operations like Gladio, Mockingbird, MK Ultra, FBI COINTELPRO, dragnet mass surveillance,.......  Secret societies and cults like Scientology cover-up their misdeeds like gangstalking and fair game.

Look at the suppression of science and scientists throughout history.

In this case, you have the scientists suppressing themselves.

Yeah, you do in this case.

[Mister Agenda]

You know how time travel is possible as Einstein discovered.  This fact is used in all GPS systems to keep their coordinates or else you would be driving off into the ocean, so it has to be accounted for.  I think time travel is possible because God can see all of time; beginning to end, since He is the alpha and the omega.  I don't think anything of any mass will be able to travel in time but I think that is the reason it is designed into the universe.  Just some food for thought.

I doubt finding out how wrong you got this will lower your opinion of how great you are at assessing science even a smidge. That would require self-honesty.

[CDF47]

Because I won this argument on page 1 and the atheists continue to kick and scream.

I am very amused by the fact that you keep imitating the person who told you that you lost the argument on page one. Hilarious!

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The truth of it is being suppressed in the scientific community.  Have you ever seen the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed? The scientific community is trying to protect evolution aside from all the issues with the theory.  I suggest you watch the movie if you haven't seen it.

The more times you refer to Expelled admiringly, the more deluded you seem. Protecting a particular theory from criticism is the opposite of what the scientific community actually does. Protecting science education from pseudo-science, however, is exactly what it's for, so system working within expected parameters. And the movie is such a bad joke that it's pathetic to see someone fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

No, I was the first to say that and then they repeated it.

[Mister Agenda]

It is a true documentary.  Others on this forum have said they seen it before.  It is about exactly what we are discussion.

At not one of us who saw it would say 'true documentary' was an apt description. Sad joke of an anti-science propaganda film is more like it.

[The Valkyrie]

I don't think much of faith either, so congrats on not being taken in by that vice purported to be a virtue. Why do you think it takes more faith to believe that DNA is the one thing that doesn't come from natural processes (which simulate intelligence in a sort of automated way, btw) when everything else we've found the cause for has been natural?

Seems like the leap of faith is on your end, to me; based on the hope that you've finally found a smoking gun for ID.

There is highly complex and specific information in DNA which can only come from a super intelligence.  The universe is also fine-tuned and had a beginning with the Big Bang.  These are three key features of design.  There are tons of others, like the body plan of living systems,...  Information in DNA is the proof though.

Debate style: "Rewind and repeat as required. Claim that your claim is correct in the face of any counter arguments, and that you've proven everything with your first claim. Ignore difficult questions. Rewind and repeat."

[CDF47]

There is highly complex and specific information in DNA which can only come from a super intelligence.  The universe is also fine-tuned and had a beginning with the Big Bang.  These are three key features of design.  There are tons of others, like the body plan of living systems,...  Information in DNA is the proof though.

Debate style:  "Rewind and repeat as required.  Claim that your claim is correct in the face of any counter arguments, and that you've proven everything with your first claim.  Ignore difficult questions.  Rewind and repeat."

Debate over...you got me on that one.

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Can someone bump up my rep. It sucks being stuck here at 0..LOL.

[Mister Agenda]

I have not used a straw man argument once.  On the contrary, I am faced with straw man, ridicule, spin, and every other dirty debate trick in the book in this thread.

A straw man argument is one in which you propose the other person's position to be other than it actually is, in order to address something easier to defeat. An example would be all the times you claimed we believe everything came from nothing. The first time could have been an honest mistake. After our actual position was explained, every repetition of that claim was employment of a straw man fallacy.

I am being generous and assuming you're not too stupid to comprehend our actual position (not as atheists but as people who follow the science), that most of us go with the current science, which is that no one knows what was really going on before the initial expansion except that the universe was in a hot dense state before that. It could have been there forever in some form or another for all anyone knows. And Hawking may be wrong about the zero curvature, like he was wrong about some other things.

[Angrboda]

Well, remember that the whole persecution of the Jews came about because of Christianity.  The Jews did, after all, nail up their saviour.

But the oersecution always confuses me.  Jesus was there, supposedly, to be sacrificed.  The Jews simply did what god wanted them to do.

You'd think Christians would be applauding them for doing their part.

Christians are not supposed to hate Jews.  Even Jesus on the cross asked His Father to forgive them for they know not what they do.  He was referring to the Jews that put Him up there and the Romans doing their civil duty of execution.

And yet, throughout history it has been primarily the Christians who persecuted the Jews and kept anti-semitism alive.....

Initial persecution of Jews was along religious lines. Persecution would cease if the person converted to Christianity.

• 306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews. 3,4
  
• 315: Constantine published the
  Edict of Milan which extended religious tolerance to Christians. Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize.
  
• 325: The Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover. They stated: "For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people...We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews...our worship follows a...more convenient course...we desire dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews...How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are almost certainly blinded."
  
• 337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.
  
• 339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offense.
  
• 343-381: The Laodicean Synod approved Cannon XXXVIII: "It is not lawful [for Christians] to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety." 5
  
• 367 - 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.
  
• 379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.
  
• 380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as "an act pleasing to God."
  
• 415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.
  
• 415: St. Augustine wrote "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus."
  
• 418: St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: "If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil's refuge, Satan's fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves."
  
• 489 - 519: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.
  
• 528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court. 3
  
• 535: The "Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians." 3
  
• 538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Canon XXX decreed that "From the Thursday before Easter for four days, Jews may not appear in the company of Christians." 5 Marriages between Christians and Jews were prohibited. Christians were prohibited from converting to Judaism. 4
  
• 561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.
  
• 612: Jews were not allowed to own land, to be farmers or enter certain trades.
  
• 613: Very serious persecution began in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education
  
• 692: Cannnon II of the Quinisext Council stated: "Let no one in the priestly order nor any layman eat the unleavened bread of the Jews, nor have any familiar intercourse with them, nor summon them in illness, nor receive medicines from them, nor bathe with them; but if anyone shall take in hand to do so, if he is a cleric, let him be deposed, but if a layman, let him be cut off." 5
  
• 694: The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their alleged responsibility for the execution of Jesus. 5
  
• 722: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.
  
• 855: Jews were exiled from Italy.
  
• 1050: The Synod of Narbonne prohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.
  
• 1078: "Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians." 6
  
• 1078: The Synod of Gerona forced Jews to pay church taxes.
  
• 1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
  
• 1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.
  
• 1121: Jews were exiled from Flanders (now part of present-day Belgium)
  
• 1130: Some Jews in London allegedly killed a sick man. The Jewish people in the city were required to pay 1 million marks as compensation.
  
• 1146: The Second Crusade began. A French Monk, Rudolf, called for the destruction of the Jews.
  
• 1179: Canon 24 of the Third Lateran Council stated: "Jews should be slaves to Christians and at the same time treated kindly due of humanitarian considerations." Canon 26 stated that "the testimony of Christians against Jews is to be preferred in all causes where they use their own witnesses against Christians." 7
  
• 1180: The French King of France, Philip Augustus, arbitrarily seized all Jewish property and expelled the Jews from the country. There was no legal justification for this action. They were allowed to sell all movable possessions, but their land and houses were stolen by the king.
  
• 1189: Jews were persecuted in England. The Crown claimed all Jewish possessions. Most of their houses were burned.
  

[And it continues from 1200 to the present day, see here (1200-1800) and here (1800-Present)]

Ontario Center For Religious Tolerance || An overview of the persecution of Jews for the past 2,000 years