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DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 2, 2018 at 2:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(November 1, 2018 at 8:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Nice try attempting to discredit two excellent sources.

Nothing but your opinion.
Since you are an expert on nothing relevant, your recommendations of these two (debunked) writers, amounts to nothing.
Biblical Studies has come a long way since the 17th Century, (archaeology has pretty much debunked the entire OT as (non) "historical", in the post you copied, he said nothing that explains why the prophecy FAILED, ....  and ID is a very minor non-science that attempts to claim it can know something from an invalid premise.
YOU yourself cannot even define what is or is not "complex enough" to require a "god done it". You have been asked this time and again. You have no answer. You have failed here to support your theory. No one here buys this rubbish. .... We're STILL WAITING for you to show us what new DNA sequences arose in the Cambrian Explosion, and how it is you know they were "new life".

Here's what's wrong with Meyer : https://www.skepticblog.org/2013/08/28/s...n-follies/

Here's what's wrong with the childish nonsense of prophecy as prediction : http://www.crivoice.org/prophecyprediction.html

Prophecy was never intended to be set in stone, (despite what anal-retentive Fundamentalists say today).
Jeremiah 18:5-10. (This god reserves the right to change his mind, even after the prophet who speaks on God’s behalf predicts blessing or cursing).

"Then the word of the LORD came to me:  Can I not do with you, O house of Israel, just as this potter has done? says the LORD. Just like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel.  At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it. And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to it ?"

There is no such thing as prediction of the future/omen reading (as forbidden in Deuteronomy), and there is no "proper way" to read any of it.

If you "know" a creator exists, then "technically" you don't need ANY faith. You can't have it both ways.
Either you "know" it, or you don't. If DNA proves a creator, then you need no faith.... (and) you are not saved, as according to Paul, you are save by your faith).
You're kinda screwed, I see.

Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.  I have faith in Jesus as my Savior.  I confess it that Jesus is Lord and I believe God rose him from the dead on the third day.

(November 2, 2018 at 6:53 pm)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote:
(November 2, 2018 at 6:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am pretty technical due to my background.

What's your background if you don't mind me asking.

Sure.  My education is in mechanical engineering.  My work background based on positions I held is in mechanical engineering, design team leader, and systems engineering.
The LORD Exists: http://www.godandscience.org/
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 2, 2018 at 6:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
(November 2, 2018 at 6:53 pm)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: What's your background if you don't mind me asking.

Sure.  My education is in mechanical engineering.  My work background based on positions I held is in mechanical engineering, design team leader, and systems engineering.

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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 2, 2018 at 3:19 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(November 2, 2018 at 11:59 am)Whateverist Wrote: If you're a 'technical person' gawd help us all.
Technically, he is a person.

That’s because the technical inspector is incompetent.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 2, 2018 at 6:53 pm)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote:
(November 2, 2018 at 6:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am pretty technical due to my background.

What's your background if you don't mind me asking.

It matters not. CDF is and will remain flat out wrong.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
I would only accept that DNA is proof of a designer if and only if such designer were.... human.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 2, 2018 at 10:56 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(November 2, 2018 at 3:19 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Technically, he is a person.

That’s because the technical inspector is incompetent.

The engineers at Chernobyl would have objected. Hmph
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 2, 2018 at 6:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.  I have faith in Jesus as my Savior.  I confess it that Jesus is Lord and I believe God rose him from the dead on the third day.


But over and over here, you've said that DNA proves the creator. Therefore you need no faith ... YOU yourself have said so. 
You have no "faith" You have proof. You said so.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

Militant Atheist Commie Evolutionist 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
Don't bother with logic, he's impervious.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
In the forest I see a tree, a product of nature.
That tree is cut down using designed techniques for safely falling a tree. Cuts are made with the intention of having the tree fall in a certain direction.

The laws of nature are observed and gravity is understood in this process. Things don't always go as designed and accidents do happen, but on the whole our intention of cutting down the tree happens.

The fallen tree lands near another fallen tree that was taken down by a storm the previous week.

We can look at the broken and splintered base of the naturally fallen tree compared to the base of the cut tree we just fell. Our tree has chainsaw marks and flat angled cuts.

The tree is taken to a saw mill where another designer cuts it into raw planks
Those planks are sent to another designer that takes those planks and turns them into boards.
The boards are sold to another designer who uses them to make a picture frame.
The frame is bought by another designer that carves intricate patterns into the frame and stains it.
Another designer buys the frame and fits it for glass and backing.

The glass also had it's share of designers.
A painter buys the frame and places his painting within it. A painting he designed using some natural berries as the base of his paints.

The finished works was made possible by many designers who crafted each part using products of nature.

Trees existed long before the designers ever did.
The sand the glass was made from existed long before the designers did.

The heavy elements in the designers own bodies existed billions of years before the designers did.

Nature creates the material.
Natural laws allows that material to take shape.
Stars are born through gravity.
Planets form through the same process.
Chemistry happens on a planet.
Natural forces allow that chemistry to mix and form complex compounds.
Natural weather and lightning provide energy.
Naturally replicating molecules from the chemistry on the planet form.
Over time, those molecules form cells and cells change over a vast period of time.

Given enough time, plants & trees form, then animals, vertebrates, tetrapods, mammals, placental mammals, hooved mammals, rodents, primates, monkeys, apes, great apes, humans, modern humans.

It took billions of years of nature to create all of those designers that used natural materials in their designs to make that painting which looks so good in that natural wood frame.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(November 3, 2018 at 8:44 am)LastPoet Wrote: I would only accept that DNA is proof of a designer if and only if such designer were.... human.

Where would that human have come from?

(November 3, 2018 at 10:43 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(November 2, 2018 at 6:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.  I have faith in Jesus as my Savior.  I confess it that Jesus is Lord and I believe God rose him from the dead on the third day.


But over and over here, you've said that DNA proves the creator. Therefore you need no faith ... YOU yourself have said so. 
You have no "faith" You have proof. You said so.

I have faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
The LORD Exists: http://www.godandscience.org/
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8
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