RE: The Statler Waldorf Recovery Room
October 20, 2010 at 9:47 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2010 at 10:15 pm by orogenicman.)
Quote:Well as far as fossils go. If a global flood did occur the fossil record is exactly what we would expect to find.
Supposedly, Statler is working on an M.A. in geoscience. I would love to have the name of Statler's student advisor so I could send him a copy of this post. Anyone who ignores the millions of pages of stratigraphic columns in the published literature in such a blatant way doesn't deserve any type of degree, much less a degree in geoscience.
First of all, creationists make the claim that all of the sedimentary rocks (whether or not they contain fossils) were all laid down at the same time by a global flood during the time of Noah, several thousand years ago. Ok, let's play along and see where this leads us. In order to show that all of the sedimentary rocks the world over were laid down by a global flood, those rocks must, by definition, contain structural evidence of a dramatic flood, the most obvious being a completely random orientation of sedimentary grains. This would be required by the fact that such a massive global flood would be characterized by turbulent flow. This turbulent flow would first show itself in the rock record in the form of massive scouring of underlying rock, and so leave a global unconformatiy. And this massive scouring would, by definition mix underlying rock of every particle size and deposit it all over the globe as a kind of mishmash conglomerate containing everything from micron sized particles to slabs the size of sky scrapers above this global unconformity (a sort of super mega-tempestite). You would also find evidence of massive ripple marks left in these deposits by the flowing water. Not sure how massive they would be, but I think it is safe to say that they would be visible from outer space and would be found at the same age on every continent. What you would not find it graded bedding, undisturbed bone beds, hardground, obvious facies relationships showing deposition in different energy environments, transgression and regression relationships in regional sedimentary structures, tens of thousands of feet of undisturbed marine and terrestrial sediments, aolian sediments, undisturbed deltaic sediments, and all the diversity of sedimentary rock features and types we find all over the world today.
Here is a typical stratigraphic column for sedimentary rock you could find pretty much anywhere in the world today.
Clearly, there is nothing in this, or any other stratigraphic column that would indicate a global flood ever occurred. There is no global ultra-mega-super-tempestite in existence, and certainly no global unconfiormity.
Quote:Are reptiles really more simple than birds? Not really.
Is a worm more simple structurally and genetically than a fish? Yes. Is a fish more simple structurally and genetically than a cow? Yes. Next.
Quote:Some species of amoebas have been found to have just as much DNA as humans.
This is actually proof of evolution, dude. Genomes include junk DNA. The older the species the more time it's genome has had to accumulate junk. Amoeba have been around longer than mammals. It certainly isn't proof that "god did it".
Quote:Rather the fossil record is best explained by mobility and intelligence. The less intelligent and less mobile animals would be buried first.
Of course, he would never dare to say this in his geoscience masters thesis. He would get laughed right out of the school. And that's because it its the most laughable argument I've ever heard. Here is a slab of ordovician age limestone containing "less intelligent", and less mobile molluscs right along side "more intelligent, and certainly more mobile orthocone cephalopods:
And on and on, the absurdity continues.
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero