(July 26, 2015 at 12:52 pm)Cato Wrote:(July 25, 2015 at 10:13 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I'm saying money should be taken out of the equation altogether. We should think of more efficient ways to function as an economical society than symbolizing and thus inherently promoting wealth.
As for the messy jobs, I'm sure people would figure something out. Maybe a system in which both volunteers and predetermined able-bodied individuals do it in shifts? That can't be such a problem, come on.
If I know anything for sure though, is that bitching about something won't make it but worse, since it merely plays on your own nerves and achieves absolutely nothing but that, and so is really counterproductive. If you take issue with a problem you should attempt to solve it other than preaching to the all-knowing[about this kind of shit] choir.
You can't both have the cake and eat it. You should prioritize. What is more important to you? The concept of money or fairness? If you choose both, you can't really tell me there's something to complain about, after all you're not only part of the system, but are also supporting it.
Money wouldn't make any sense in a fully just society. Sure, that's almost impossibly utopic, but that's how we always guide ourselves when theorizing anyway, right?
I find it amusing that you tell me I have nothing to complain about simply because of the existence of money (money or fairness)?. You just want money to disappear with absolutely no understanding of its function nor any reasonable idea of how society would function without it. I have no problem with money in and of itself, as I don't have to arrange a direct barter of goods or service when I need groceries. Besides, whatever undeclared 'system' you devise will immediately crumble when the first person decides he/she doesn't want to do something and offers something of value for someone else to take his/her place.
The solution is political and I offered a broad principle that I think would go a long way to achieving a more just society. I am politically active. You then chime in saying I should attempt to solve a problem rather than just preach. The most striking part is that this brilliance was offered right after you waived your hands by saying "I'm sure people would figure something out". Your proposed solution of able-bodied shifts sounds as if there's a gun in the equation. How else do you enforce your proposed policy? Again, the plan fails immediately the first time somebody doesn't want to participate.
I seek justice, not fairness. There is a difference. You won't get my support for pushing some idealized egalitarian society. Some people do in fact work harder than others. Some skills are in fact more valuable to society than others, the problem is that the invisible hand has a difficult time being rational in assigning value. The problem isn't that CEOs don't deserve to make more money, it's the gross imbalance when one considers many companies pay their low level workers an amount that nobody should reasonably expect people to provide for their basic needs with.
The minimum wage should be raised across the board since it is quite obvious that most employers won't do it voluntarily.
You're too simple minded to get what I'm saying. I won't bother explaining in detail until you lose the attitude.
