RE: atheism and children
August 5, 2015 at 8:21 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2015 at 8:23 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 5, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Javaman Wrote:(August 5, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
1. The Church teaches that IVF is not moral.
2. I don't know. Just because something is not moral, does not mean the person who did it will go to Hell. There are many many factors that go along with it, and it is not my place to speculate. That's God's job.
3. "Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person." -CCC
1. "Just because" doesn't really answer my question.
2. If you don't know and, presumably, your church doesn't know, then why should anyone pay any attention to what they have to say? What are these factors that need to be considered?
3. Okay, so my sin is "less reprehensible". Maybe.
Still comes across as a load of presuppositionalist BS. It's still not clear whether I'll suffer as much in hell as a rapist because I masturbated into a test tube. Not sure why it's so hard for your church to figure out which is a worse act. I'm pretty sure anyone with a shred of common sense would have no difficulty determining which act is the greater crime.
1. Not sure what you mean. I was answering your question of "what does the Church teach", and answered it to the point. Not sure where the "just because" came from.
2. No one knows who went to hell, or who is going to hell. That doesn't mean we can't believe certain things are immoral. Judge the sin, not the sinner and all that.
3. I didn't copy and paste the paragraph that came right before that. They were saying it's less reprehensible when doing IVF involving only the married couple versus just using a stranger's egg/sperm and using a surrogate. It wasn't comparing it to rape, because rape is on a whole other level.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh