RE: atheism and children
August 6, 2015 at 3:54 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2015 at 3:54 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 6, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Javaman Wrote:(August 6, 2015 at 1:45 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: No, as it happens, I can't.That's how it looks to me too, CL.
The end result is exactly the same whether it's through actual intercourse or insertion of the fertilised eggs into the womb.
The difference is entirely arbitrary and moral objections to IVF appear to be an objection for objection's sake of to save face in the light of ambiguity of dogma and/or doctrine When confronted with technological advance.
Hell just have sex before/after the procedure and pretend. The procedure at least has a guaranteed % chance of starting the process (in that the sperm has met the egg) 'Normal' intercourse is hit and miss *at best*.
It only makes sense if you believe the superstitious mumbo jumbo about the "sacred nature" of sexual intercourse or the "unitive dimension of conjugal love". They're just more assertions that aren't supported by evidence... can you at least see where we are coming from when we reject your explanation as nonsensical?
Furthermore can you see how arrogant and presumptious you sound when you say that IVF babies are the product of immoral and illicit activities? Or how insulting it is to compare IVF to criminal acts?
And how does you or your pope know that I wasn't filled with a sense of "self-giving love" (whatever the hell that means) when I masturbated?
Still curious to know if the punishment for rapists in the afterlife is 1000X worse than the punishment for IVF'ers.
Hm? But I also do believe those things about intercourse.
Again, please no straw. I never said that about babies.
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