(August 6, 2015 at 11:21 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(August 6, 2015 at 9:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It's not necessarily placing the fertilized egg inside that's the problem for us. It's the actual joining of the sperm and the egg. Like I said, because we believe the creation of human life (the actual joining of sperm and egg) is a very sacred thing, we believe it should be kept in the purity of its natural form. Meaning egg/sperm should be put together through the act of self giving love.
I understand that you believe this. I am trying to understand why. I am trying to understand the arbitrary nature of this distinction. Where does the 'purity of it's natural form' line get drawn?
...With as far as the actual joining of the sperm and the egg, at which point a new life is created. This creation of life is what we believe to be a sacred thing.
Is it only with the fertilization of an egg?
Yes. It is only with the joining of the egg and the sperm.
How is unnaturally cutting a baby out of the mother's womb (didn't God punish all women forever with painful childbirth, isn't this circumventing that?) any different from unnaturally putting a baby in there. Where in the Bible does it say that fertilization is immoral? Why is circumventing God's plan (vaccines/drugs/surgery/chemo etc) okay in other instances, but this one is somehow immoral?
I don't believe that God "punishes women with the pain of childbirth," neither is this Church teaching. So no, it is not against our beliefs to make childbirth painless through an epidural, or a C section. Again, it is not "putting a baby in there" that is the immoral part. It is the joining of the sperm with the egg. Also, we don't believe IVF is immoral because it "circumvents God's plan", per se. That's why surgery, vaccine, drugs, medical care, etc, are not against our beliefs. We think IVF is immoral because we believe that the creation of new human life is a sacred thing, and should thus stay within the sacred context of lovemaking.
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