RE: atheism and children
August 8, 2015 at 1:38 am
(This post was last modified: August 8, 2015 at 1:38 am by IATIA.)
(August 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:(August 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Exian Wrote: Personal morality exists and it's largely based on a social contract. It's objective morality that doesn't exist.And if that's true then he is only calling God evil on his own moral standard or claiming moral superiority. Quite often I see others judging God and quite plainly they could do better or would do it differently. Pretty bold statements. Anyone here want one of us to be God?
If you claim no objective morality, there are only three options left. Moral subjectivism, moral relativism and moral nihilism.
In any of those you cannot logically make statements like:
Rape is wrong
Hitler and Stalin were wrong
Kindness is a virtue
Cruelty is a vice
Its wrong to drown a baby in a bathtub for entertainment
These statements cannot be made sense out of without objective morality or would you care to say these are a matter of opinion or societal norms?
(my bold)
Of we can make sense out of those statements without "objective morality". It is called "subjective morality". As a society, we have "subjectively" decided that those actions/principles/people are immoral.
Hitler and Stalin "subjectively" decided that their actions were not immoral.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
