(August 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:(August 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Exian Wrote: Personal morality exists and it's largely based on a social contract. It's objective morality that doesn't exist.
In any of those you cannot logically make statements like:
Rape is wrong
Hitler and Stalin were wrong
Kindness is a virtue
Cruelty is a vice
Its wrong to drown a baby in a bathtub for entertainment
These statements cannot be made sense out of without objective morality or would you care to say these are a matter of opinion or societal norms?
You cannot objectively say those things, you can quite easily say that your societal morality forbids those things and be perfectly valid. Just because it makes you personally uncomfortable to acknowledge that's how morality actually works, that doesn't change the facts.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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