(August 11, 2015 at 9:42 am)Drich Wrote:(August 11, 2015 at 12:55 am)Shuffle Wrote: No.You think that because you look at sin and Crime as being the same thing. It's not. Sin is more like a highly infectious disease or better yet Zombie virus who's only cure is repentance or Death. Now with that in Mind Heaven/Creation would be like The last refuge for the non infected people willing to be cured side. Hell are for the infected who have fully turned and those who are incubating the virus and will eventualy turn sometime in eternity future.
Oh come on! That doesn't seem very fair, does it?
Imagine of our court system was like that. J-walkers and serial killers would have the same sentences.
Now, if you are in a refuge city like Jerluslem World war Z style, and the Zombie hords wait just out side, do you let ANY infected into your city whether they show signs or not?
Quote:I thought you said god does not grade sin on the sliding scale like we do. Why did you change your mind in the very next paragraph? What the hell does "...the average lemming/atheist who is trying to justify his porn habit," supposed to mean. That is very insulting and fallacious. Try to keep your ad hominem rant about pornography out of the rests of your arguments next time. Thanks! I can only speak for myself when I say that my raging porn addiction has nothing to do with my atheism.God does not grade sin on a sliding scale. That is why I prefaced the bit about being consumed by Hell fire at different intervals according to severity of sin with: "It is my wish" or what ever I said separating what God does from what I would like to have happen.
Quote:What the bible actually says? When is the last time you stoned a gay person?We had this discussion in your other thread. You don't understand what Christ meant by :Completeing the law. To Complete the law not only keeps the the do's and don't in place it also provides attonement for those who do not follow the law anymore. This means 'righteousness' the quality needed to stand with God for eternity is no longer based on 'morality' but on whether one has been inoculated or not from the Zombie virus.
So if Gaud created everything, but he totally hates sin, then why did he create sin? If he didn't create sin, who did? Did Satan? Did we? If so, why did Gaud create a system where sin could be created? Why did he create a system where ANYTHING could be created by someone other than himself? The capacity for creation isn't necessary for the ability to choose, so Free Will is out.
The simple fact is that your Gaud supposedly created a place of eternal torment to punish people who upset him even once in the smallest of ways, and many of the ways we can upset him have no harm in them other than that he dislikes those actions for some unexplained reason.
When people say, "because you have a debt that needs repaid," or, "because you're guilty of something and need to be absolved," they somehow conveniently forget that, if the rest of their beliefs are correct, then the reason that situation is true is that Gaud created the system knowing it would wind up that way. That means either that he intended for the system to be that way or that he couldn't stop it from being that way (but then went ahead and selfishly created the system anyway because he'd rather have the worshippers and punish the infidels than not create the system and spare all those potential beings from hell).
The bottom line: your god does not love us. He only cares about worship and obedience. He is a worse monster than the worst human Earth has ever produced, because torturing even one person infinitely is a worse crime than torturing billions for thousands of years. It is an infinitely worse crime, in fact. That's the nature of infinity. It is a joy and a relief that your god does not exist because, quite frankly, he is a dick.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com