(August 11, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Shuffle Wrote: The zombie thing is not a good analogy. In that situation, everyone knows there such things as sins, but in real life, no one does. Also, my non belief in something can not be synonymous with a infection that makes me eat people. I know you want it to be, but it is not.

I am going to provide you with a brief explaination of how analogy works, then provide a citation to support what I have just told you, then I will underline the key points of that analogy you don't seem to want to address making you look foolish. Finally finish a comprehensive summary detailing exactly how my analogy works and why yours failed.
1 how analogies work:
Analogies compares word or concept pairing, usally a know word or concept with a word or concept a student maybe struggling to fully grasp.
Good or successful analogies don't often share a complete relationships with a word or concept they are being paired with, but need only share a singular aspect that will build a critical logical bridge between the known word or concept to the unknown one. (that was your failure in your understanding of analogy, you believe a analogy must share a complete relationship when if fact that would not be possible if what was being compared wasn't identical.) In reality an analogy must only create a single parallel relationship between the two words or concepts to create a 'good analogy.' The person creating the Analogy must be clear in which of the aspects of the known concept is being paired with the known. (which I clearly did)
2) your citation of how proper Analogies work in the English language:
http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Analogies.htm
3) making you look foolish:
(side note, when I say sin I mean unrepented/proud to sin, sin.)
So again, Sin is not synomous with Crime. Sin shares More in common with a deadly virus. Since most of you are not familiar with how real super deadly virus works, and can't be bother to read up on them I used a Zombie virus, and the perceived quarantine proceedures of such a panic level outbreak. It is in this pairing of Sin and infection even dormant infection that we can draw paralells and full understand why we can not have a single infected person even if we love them outside their quarantine zones. Because in a Zombie outbreak no level of infection is permissible in a sanctuary. Likewise no one caring any level of the Sin virus can be permitted in the Sanctuary of Heaven.
4) comprehensive summery of the points being discussed:
4a)Lets start with a break down of why your initial pairing of sin and crime failed.
You wanted to pair Sin and crime, that is a bad analogy not because of the general pairing, but because of your perception that sin and crime share punishable attributes that should be addressed on a sliding scale is not how God has indeed quarantined Sinners from the saved.. Again Sin is not crime. even though some crimes are indeed sins.
4b) Next a break down pairing the known concept (Zombie outbreak) with particular elements of sin that share a commonality:
Sin/unrepented sin, is the condition or level of rebellious infection that is akin to a Zombie level threat, for all of Humanity in eternity furture. Why? because ANY Sin is not about indivisual actions/misdeeds. Sin is in the soul. It is what ate at Lucifer, who was given the #2 spot in heaven and ultimately found it was not enough.. he wanted what God had. He wanted to be God. He rebelled with 1/3 of the angels with him, because he 'infected' them with his own discontent. Sin given enough time will fester into something greater. we all live lives that prove this generation after generation. The only thing stopping us/the unrepentant from becoming like Satan is our short life spans. Now Imagine what would happen if we lived for eternity, infected with unrepentant sin..
At some point you will have had enough and 'turn.' then cascade down like Lucifer, ultimately deserving to be punished for all eternity.again like Satan.
Quote:Definition of wishful thinking: the attribution of reality to what... you know what? I think you have already given a great example of that. Never mind.Finish your point, lets see if it hold water.
Quote:What is the purpose of the law then? If no one has to follow them, then are they just there to scare atheists away?According to Paul in Romans6- chapter 8 the Law is there to help us identify sin in our lives driving those looking to serve God to repentance. The Law is also the guide lines we show God our gratitude and respect.
again we do not follow the law as a means to righteousness. We follow the law as a sign/showing of Love to God which is what is needed to accept the atonement Christ offers..