RE: Am I Going To Hell?
August 11, 2015 at 6:00 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2015 at 6:11 pm by Shuffle.)
(August 11, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABCBut god knew that they were going to eat the fruit, therefore completely dooming them immediately when he created them.
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.
Sin wasn't created, it was given to us as an opportunity to choose something beyond the will of God. Why? So that those who did/would not want to be with god had the opportunity to separate themselves from Him and the rest of what He has created.
The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually. I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years went by, nothing of consequence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very apparent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn. We need to learn through the pains of sin and consequence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.
Quote:The bottom line: your god does not love us.No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16.
Quote: He only cares about worship and obedience.If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.
You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong. Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.
I don't want to be separated from your god, because I don't even believe he exists. An atheist in Ancient Greek didn't want to be separated from your god, because your god hadn't even been made up yet!
No, the system is not perfect. Before god created the universe he KNEW that billions upon billions of people would be thrown into lakes of fire. People that didn't know he existed. People that didn't have enough evidence that he existed. People that were raised to believe he didn't exist. How is that fair? Formal education for those who go on? Oh look. People being tortured! I am now smarter!
What happened to, "God loves all of his children?"
Do you have any references from scripture?
I really don't have time to clean up the rest of the crap that you just vomited out on the floor. I have many better things to do than make a comprehensive analysis of every word that you have used. And no, I am not pussying out on this "debate." I am just so tired of the constant back and forth. I now realize that I will not be able to get through to you and you will not be able to get through to me. Let's just agree to disagree for now, ok?
