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Am I Going To Hell?
RE: Am I Going To Hell?
(August 11, 2015 at 10:31 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So if Gaud created everything, but he totally hates sin, then why did he create sin?If he didn't create sin, who did? Did Satan? Did we? If so, why did Gaud create a system where sin could be created?
Sin did not get created, it was an allowance. Again anything not in the written or expressed will of God is sin. Meaning if a being is to be independent of God, he must have the ablity to be outside of God's will. However to be outside of God's will disqualifies one from being with God, unless atonement is made.

Quote:Why did he create a system where ANYTHING could be created by someone other than himself? The capacity for creation isn't necessary for the ability to choose, so Free Will is out.
'Free will' has always been 'out' We only have what we have been given. We have been given a choice to return to God or to stay in our sin.

Quote:The simple fact is that your Gaud supposedly created a place of eternal torment to punish people who upset him even once in the smallest of ways, and many of the ways we can upset him have no harm in them other than that he dislikes those actions for some unexplained reason.
Not according to the bible. Hell was set up for Satan's eternal torment. Nothing in scripture says that the unsaved will burn forever.

Quote:When people say, "because you have a debt that needs repaid," or, "because you're guilty of something and need to be absolved," they somehow conveniently forget that, if the rest of their beliefs are correct, then the reason that situation is true is that Gaud created the system knowing it would wind up that way.
Indeed.

Quote:That means either that he intended for the system to be that way or that he couldn't stop it from being that way (but then went ahead and selfishly created the system anyway because he'd rather have the worshippers and punish the infidels than not create the system and spare all those potential beings from hell).

God wanted to create an autonomous being as a result He had to give it the ablity to choose. Now if their is only God's written or expressed will (as per Adam/eve in the garden before the fall) then their is no autonomy. This life affords us one real choice with eternal consenquences behind it. In that we have been given over to choose where we wish to spend eternity. and yes not everyone is called to make that choice. Some people are placed in this life simply to provide the resistance needed to challenge the choice we make. That said not all who are called will heed that call either.

We are not all God's Children. In the parable of the sower, a man plants a field of grain, that night his enemy scatters his own seed/weeds among the grain. As the gain grew so too did the weeds, a servant asked the land owner did you not plant good seed? He answered yes I planted the best seed. But an enemy has scattered his seed among the grain I planted. The servant then asked shall we pull up the weeds? The land owner said "No allow them to grow up together and until the harvest, then separate the weeds from the wheat. take the wheat to the store house and burn the weeds in the fire.

So again, 'we'/Man are not all God's seed.

Remember God only Created Adam, from Adam produced Eve. Everyone else is a reproduction of what God created.

Quote:[color=#cc3399]The bottom line: your god does not love us.
Not everyone no. Why should He?

Quote:He only cares about worship and obedience.
If this were true He would have never put the tree in the Garden

Quote: He is a worse monster than the worst human Earth has ever produced,
That's a subjective claim. To the british Washington was a terrorist, and a war criminal. To us He was a hero. Like wise To those who want to spend an eternity with god putting those who do not into the fire is a good thing. Even if those going do not think so. Just like those going to serve a life sentence hate the jail, the gaurds, and even society. They may think it unfair or even evil. But so what... Who really cares what people who do not or can not live with in the rules of a decent society think?

To the monsters who are locked up, we are the monsters for locking them up and restricting their want and will.

But again who cares what they think? They are the monsters they are the Zombies who will turn given enough time, especially when the cure is within their grasp.
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Am I Going To Hell? - by Shuffle - August 1, 2015 at 2:58 am
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RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Shuffle - August 9, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Brakeman - August 10, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Nay_Sayer - August 10, 2015 at 10:51 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Iroscato - August 11, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Shuffle - August 11, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Drich - August 11, 2015 at 9:42 am
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Redbeard The Pink - August 11, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Drich - August 11, 2015 at 3:15 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Redbeard The Pink - August 11, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Drich - August 12, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Redbeard The Pink - August 18, 2015 at 9:46 am
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RE: Am I Going To Hell? - by Drich - August 11, 2015 at 4:15 pm
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