atheism and children

[Clueless Morgan]

I just got as far as the bolded part. Nope! That's not what I said.

Sorry, but to move further in the discussion it's important that we actually listen to what the other says. Please reread what I wrote in my response post to you.

Insane/mentally ill or not, if an instigator is coming after you, trying to kill you (or someone else), you have the right to exert as much force as is necessary to stop them. If that amount of force results in their death, it is tragic but not immoral IMHO.

^^-- This is exactly what you said. That it is an acceptable action to kill someone who might kill you (I say might because if they actually kill you then the point is moot) even if they are an innocent. That you can use as much force as necessary to defend your own life from this innocent even if it results in their death. You say that this is a tragic but not immoral action.

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.

Everyone has the right to defend their own life against a threat that might kill them.

The thing is, I extend this to pregnant women too. A woman has the right to defend her life against a pregnancy that will kill her if it continues even if it means DIRECTLY aborting the embryo. I don't understand the arbitrary line you are drawing when you say that you can abort if you don't DIRECTLY kill the embryo, that you have to go through the rigmarole of a possibly unnecessary surgery to end a pregnancy that could be ended by taking some pills.

And I don't understand why you would categorize the death of an innocent as "tragic but not immoral" (which, again, I agree with you about) but then say conception divorced from sex and taking place in a petri dish by doctors IS immoral.

I don't understand it.

EDIT TO ADD:

You know, on further thought (and upon reading the rest of your post), perhaps I shouldn't respond. I'm not on here responding y'alls questions because I'm trying to convert you or preach at you. I'm responding to y'alls questions for no other reason than out of politeness and consideration for the person asking. With all respect, but it's really not motivating me at all when people take condescending and borderline hostile tone when I'm taking time out of my day to answer things for you. I'm on vacation right now visiting family that I only see 2-3 times a year.

I'm not trying to be hostile, I'm trying to understand because the way you delineate between what is sacred or not and what is moral or not makes no sense to me.