RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 10:13 am
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2015 at 10:14 am by Redbeard The Pink.)
(August 18, 2015 at 9:51 am)msid Wrote: i see that most of you believe what you do because of lack of evidence that there is a God. Personally i am a christian because of all the evidence ive seen and the ways ive seen him answer prayers. ive had people come up to me and pray for problems that i was having that i hadnt told anyone. ive had many prayers awnsered in ways that could only be explained by God. I also completely understand everyone heres point of view
Ah...the "Answers to Prayer" argument.
The problem with prayer is that it functions entirely on confirmation bias (and usually a not-so-small portion of self-hypnosis). It's kind of like fortune telling you perform on yourself. You send a question/request up like this little balloon, then start staring at the sky. Whatever falls back is a sign from god.
If your desired outcome happens (bonus points if it seems unusually expedient and coincidental), then YAY! God answered my prayer! He exists!
If your least desired outcome happens, god is testing your faith. He has a plan for you, and he works in mysterious ways. Your hardship is all part of his mysterious plan, like to teach you a lesson or something, and if you just keep believing and keep trying to learn your lesson, then maybe he'll ease up eventually, and when he does, you'll know that he exists.
If some other random outcome happens that's somehow favorable and/or seems to lessen your focus on whatever problem it was, then YAY! God answered my prayers in ways I never could have imagined! Showers of blessings! God exists!
Are you seeing the problem here? Regardless of the outcome, it's always interpreted as god's doing, and therefore evidence that god exists. It's the exact same thing as Tarot and Astrology; you're set up with an expectation that's so vague it's could be met by a mere stretch of one's own imagination.
And yes, I believe in the Big Bang, and Evolution, and that the Universe is billions of years old. Why, don't you?
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com