RE: Morality is like a religion
August 19, 2015 at 8:53 am
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2015 at 8:54 am by robvalue.)
One last try If I'm understanding you correctly:
What you have created is correct, but it is a logical tautology (always true regardless). It's nothing to do with science, or the subject matter in fact. Let me explain:
Say we have a person X. We find out their capacity for having "positive feelings" with F(X) and their ability to live a "worthwhile life" as L(X). They both return a Y or a N.
You have stated that L(X) = Y if and only if F(X) = Y. So, in fact, F(X) = L(X) for any person X. You get the same answer, yes or no, for both questions for any given person.
Your proposal is now:
"If a person has no positive feelings, they can't live a worthwhile life."
If F(X) = N then L(X) = N
But since F(X) = L(X), it becomes
If F(X) = N then F(X) = N
So this is correct, but it is a tautology. If you have no positive feelings, you have no positive feelings. This logic is also true for any F and L that I define in the same way. F could be "Do I have a green car" and L could be "Am I trendy?" and I say F = L . Then I get the same result. The fact that F happens to be talking about feeling is irrelevant. The above example reduces to if I don't have a green car, I don't have a green car.
So hopefully you see my problem! You're just stating something that must logically be true, by definition. Which is fine, but it doesn't demonstrate anything else.
What you have created is correct, but it is a logical tautology (always true regardless). It's nothing to do with science, or the subject matter in fact. Let me explain:
Say we have a person X. We find out their capacity for having "positive feelings" with F(X) and their ability to live a "worthwhile life" as L(X). They both return a Y or a N.
You have stated that L(X) = Y if and only if F(X) = Y. So, in fact, F(X) = L(X) for any person X. You get the same answer, yes or no, for both questions for any given person.
Your proposal is now:
"If a person has no positive feelings, they can't live a worthwhile life."
If F(X) = N then L(X) = N
But since F(X) = L(X), it becomes
If F(X) = N then F(X) = N
So this is correct, but it is a tautology. If you have no positive feelings, you have no positive feelings. This logic is also true for any F and L that I define in the same way. F could be "Do I have a green car" and L could be "Am I trendy?" and I say F = L . Then I get the same result. The fact that F happens to be talking about feeling is irrelevant. The above example reduces to if I don't have a green car, I don't have a green car.
So hopefully you see my problem! You're just stating something that must logically be true, by definition. Which is fine, but it doesn't demonstrate anything else.
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