(August 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm)Shuffle Wrote:(August 20, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Cephus Wrote: It's a wikipedia article that anyone can say anything they want in. I have never met an atheist who identified as a "new atheist", in fact, the whole idea is widely decried amongst most atheists.
The thing is that it doesn't matter what you call yourself - The term was coined to describe a wave of atheist writers and supporters who defended certain ideas like that religion should be ridiculed, set aside, that atheism could be compatible with agnosticism and doesn't need a positive premise, etc - New Atheism is merely the term that describes the movement, the fact most people don't identify as such doesn't mean they are not such. I wouldn't hesitate to say a significant part of AF populations (on all forums not just here) is strongly influenced by new atheism and partially supports sects of the movement, including myself to some degree. There's many people here who've read books by Dawkins and other writers who are the most important figures in the movement, so there's a noticeable influence in people's rhetoric, arguments and generally the way they treat and debate theists.
Is it widely decried? Really? Yes, probably by the same people who buy atheist t shirts and post pictures on facebook about the recent copy of The God Delusion on X translation and how awesome it is and constantly post something on how much they think religion is stupid and they are always rational - This is a caricature but you get the picture. I wouldn't use the argument that atheism is just a lack of belief in god as a sort of escape mechanism because DICTIONARIES CHANGE and you never know what will be on it in the next 10-50 years - If we want atheism to remain just a lack of belief in god or a gnostic claim about god's existence then we should strongly criticize organized atheism, atheist institutions and atheist books and lectures.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you