(August 21, 2015 at 3:00 am)Confused Ape Wrote:(August 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Cephus Wrote: You want to know why Christians have their panties in a bunch? Because they used to have a lot of undeserved power and now that power is gone and they desperately want it back. Christmas used to be their holiday. Now it's not, in fact, now it's almost entirely secular. They don't like that. They used to be able to get away with sectarian religious displays on public property. Now they can't and they're pissed. These are things they should never have been able to do. They could. Now they can't. They're playing it as discrimination. In actuality, it's making things the way they should have been all along.
You missed the point of my post. Christians have got their panties in a bunch because of the atheists, humanists and secularists who are activists.
Well, if you consider "activism" as "just won't shut the hell up", I'll agree. The only reason this is the case is because now we have the Internet, which prevents Christians from bodily assaulting atheists, who have this strange idea that free speech doesn't only apply to the religious.
Quote:(August 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Cephus Wrote: There are a lot of things that I think ostensibly atheist organizations out there are doing that I find an embarrassment to atheism, but I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me and everyone has the freedom to do what they want to do without having an effect on others.
So, you've finally agreed that there are atheist organisations whose members are activists. They don't speak for you but there are people out there who will assume that the activists do speak for you.
I never said that there were no activists, I said there were no atheist movements, meaning movements representative of all atheists, everywhere. Any individual or group can do things all they like.
Quote:Which brings us back to NDT. From what he said in the video he doesn't want people assuming that he campaigns to get nativity scenes removed from public places etc.
And that's fine. He can do what he wants to do, just like anyone else. He can support what he wants to support, just like anyone else. That doesn't mean anyone else can speak or act on his behalf, just because of a label he chooses to wear, or not to wear in this case.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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