RE: Evidence: The Gathering
August 28, 2015 at 7:28 pm
(This post was last modified: August 28, 2015 at 7:30 pm by Randy Carson.)
(August 25, 2015 at 9:45 am)dyresand Wrote: 1. those weren't first hand accounts those were hearsay
Is that the conclusion of professional historians?
Quote:2. you cannot compare the titanic disaster to the gospel.
Actually, I can and did. Eyewitness accounts NORMALLY vary; when they don't, police investigators suspect collusion.
Quote:3. Matthew and Luke give two contradictory genealogies for Joseph. They cannot even agree on who the father of Joseph was. Church apologists try to eliminate this discrepancy by suggesting that the genealogy in Luke is actually Mary's, even though Luke says explicitly that it is Joseph's genealogy. Christians have had problems reconciling the two genealogies since at least the early fourth century. It was then that Eusebius, a "Church Father," wrote in his The History of the Church, "each believer has been only too eager to dilate at length on these passages." <- this is the important part as yes jesus is made up.
No, that would only mean that people have speculated about Jesus' genealogy. Joseph had a biological father (who died young) and a legal father who married Joseph's mother according the Levitical law. Take a look:
The Genealogies of Jesus
http://straightforward.wikidot.com/matthew-1-1-16-bc
One of the most widely held theories suggests that Matthew's account follows the lineage of Joseph, while Luke's genealogy is that of Mary, the mother of Jesus. This interpretation would mean that Jacob was Joseph's biological father, and Heli (Mary's biological father) became Joseph's surrogate father, thus making Joseph Heli's heir through his marriage to Mary. If Heli had no sons, this would have been the normal custom.
Also, if Mary and Joseph lived under the same roof with Heli, his "son-in-law" would have been called "son" and considered a descendent. Although it would have been unusual to trace a genealogy from the maternal side, there was nothing usual about the virgin birth. Additionally, if Mary (Jesus' blood relative) was indeed a direct descendant of David, this would make her son "the seed of David" in keeping with Messianic prophecies.(1)
(Solving: 2, 3, and 4)
According to one of the oldest theories, some scholars assign the differences in genealogies to the "Levirate marriage" tradition. This custom said that if a man died without bearing any sons, his brother could then marry his widow, and their sons would carry on the dead man's name. For this theory to hold up, it would mean that Joseph, the father of Jesus, had both a legal father (Heli) and a biological father (Jacob), through a Levirate marriage.
The theory suggests that Joseph's grandfathers (Matthan according to Matthew; Matthat according to Luke) were brothers, both married to the same woman, Estha, one after the other. This would make Matthan's son (Jacob) Joseph's biological father, and Matthat's son (Heli) Joseph's legal father. Matthew's account would trace Jesus' primary (biological) lineage, and Luke's record would follow Jesus' legal lineage.(2)
- See more at: http://straightforward.wikidot.com/matth...0gPmm.dpuf
http://straightforward.wdfiles.com/local...Theory.png
Quote:4. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.
Tacitus. AD 116.