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Anti gay-marriage atheist??
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
(August 31, 2015 at 11:38 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No, it just means gays are no different from the rest of us. We all have temptations, we all do things that are immoral sometimes. This applies to everyone everywhere.  

The actual feelings of attraction towards the same sex are not sinful because they are not freely chosen. Whether they stemmed from genetics, from environmental factors, or from a little bit of both depending on the person, the important part is to remember that it is not voluntary. So being gay, in and of itself, is not immoral because it is not chosen.

While softly worded, I do have to point out that in practice this still means that gay people must deny huge parts of themselves in order to obey Catholic doctrine. That the church isn't directly, overtly hounding and discriminating against them (anymore) doesn't change the fact that what they are demanding of gay people, if they want to avoid hell and be in god's good graces, is amazingly cruel and callous. All the while, of course, the church offers a way out of that blanket, untenable denial to straight people, and they just studiously work to deny that same escape route to gay people for no real reason.

In reality, this new Catholic position on homosexuality is just a way to wrap a more subtle homophobia in nicer language; it's nothing more than a way for the church to continue demanding what it has of gay people for decades, while attempting to slip the charge of bigotry that they rightly deserve for doing so.
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Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 30, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 30, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mr.wizard - August 30, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 30, 2015 at 7:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by thehedglin - August 30, 2015 at 7:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 30, 2015 at 7:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 30, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Spooky - August 30, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 30, 2015 at 8:05 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Minimalist - August 30, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Simon Moon - August 30, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Simon Moon - August 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Rev. Rye - August 30, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 4:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 30, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 30, 2015 at 11:06 pm
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mudhammam - August 31, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 31, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ignoramus - August 31, 2015 at 6:52 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Rev. Rye - August 31, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by comet - August 31, 2015 at 6:54 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 31, 2015 at 9:13 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 31, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 3:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 4:40 pm
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 31, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - September 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by comet - August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by KevinM1 - August 31, 2015 at 2:31 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by KevinM1 - August 31, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Redbeard The Pink - August 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 8, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 2:56 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 4:29 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2015 at 2:05 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - September 1, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 3:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - September 1, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - September 2, 2015 at 1:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 6, 2015 at 3:50 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Losty - September 8, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Brian37 - September 8, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 9, 2015 at 3:35 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 9, 2015 at 11:25 am

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