RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 4:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm by Regina.)
(August 31, 2015 at 4:33 pm)abaris Wrote:(August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: At the end of the day, if Miss Thing believes sex is between a married couple, and practices such in her own life choices, that's her right. It only becomes "bigoted" (by definition of what "bigoted" actually means) when one tries to force their views onto other people and push for legislation that oppresses people, which from what I've read I've not seen CL saying.
Yes, and that's exactly what happens with many influencial groups - most, but not all religious. Most, if not all, conservative. Whatever that means.
It's one of the reasons why we still haven't got same sex marriages, but only civil unions in my country. It's also the reason why the supreme court had to step in to lift the ban on same sex adoptions. Miss Thing doesn't hold her believes in a vacuum. And these believes still have no base in reality. Only in some screwed up world view that doesn't allow for anything other than traditional views.
I actually don't disagree with you on this, I just think that if someone believes it as a personal thing just for themselves, I'm not interested and I don't care. It's only when you get people who move into politics with it that's a problem.
But my bigger point is to say that there's more we can argue than just "this view is bigoted", which is what so many of the girls immediately jump to today. I don't agree with CL's views in reality, but that's where we can use well thought-out arguments to support our opinions, instead of jumping immediately to ad hominem. Sure if they keep it up you can call them a bigot then, but it's something people jump to too quickly and the word has lost all meaning because of it.
Explaining why somebody is wrong and actually having the discussion that needs to be had goes a lot further, and changes more minds, than shutting it down with trendy accusatory buzzwords.
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"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable." - Maryam Namazie
