(November 6, 2010 at 7:04 am)chatpilot Wrote:(November 4, 2010 at 1:10 pm)theophilus Wrote: Jesus' sacrifice involved more that just the physical suffering he endured. For a time he took all our sin and guilt and was separated from God as a result. That is why he cried out, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" This might not seem like much to us because we are all guilty of sin and being separated from God is normal for us but Jesus was sinless and had always enjoyed perfect fellowship with the Father so this was completely new to him. Since we have never experienced sinlessness we can't fully comprehend what Jesus would have to suffer from having out sins placed on him.
Correction: You are guilty of sin, since as an atheist the word sin does not even qualify in my view as a real word with real meaning. It is a stupid religious nuts interpretation of his own dumb ass delusions.
solja247 wrote: Jesus died on the cross to save humanity, so that we would no longer be cursed under sin.
Okay, so who do you think put that curse of sin upon us? Let's see what that ridiculous book the bible has to say about that.
14 Then Yahweh God said to the snake, 'Because you have done this, Accursed be you of all animals wild and tame! On your belly you will go and on dust you will feed as long as you live.
15 I shall put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; it will bruise your head and you will strike its heel.'
16 To the woman he said: I shall give you intense pain in childbearing, you will give birth to your children in pain. Your yearning will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.
17 To the man he said, 'Because you listened to the voice of your wife and ate from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat, Accursed be the soil because of you! Painfully will you get your food from it as long as you live.
18 It will yield you brambles and thistles, as you eat the produce of the land.
19 By the sweat of your face will you earn your food, until you return to the ground, as you were taken from it. For dust you are and to dust you shall return.' Genesis 3:14-19 (NJB)
It seems to me that although Adam and Eve were tricked by the snake to disobey God, it was actually God who imposed the "curse of sin" upon mankind. Now the simple solution to this was not to curse them at all, but instead now that they know good and evil instruct them on how to avoid doing evil. But your dumb ass God seems to have problems with anger management and interpersonal relationships and seems to make bone headed mistakes like this all throughout the scriptures. So much for him being perfect!
God did not impose the curse of sin on man, He allowed it to come into place just as He said it would, He said do not eat the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden for if you do you shall surely die. They did and in more than a physical death.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.