(February 22, 2009 at 6:17 am)Ephrium Wrote: I have in title this is just a small post, and I do not understand why so much exclamation is in here.Do not presume that what is obvious to you is obvious to everyone else.
Do not tell me you guys cannot see the point here.
(February 22, 2009 at 6:17 am)Ephrium Wrote: Lets not talk about chess then. Humans can indeed invent many many things more complicated than himself (Even though he does not understand it) can't he?No. Can you name one man-made thing that is more complex than the person/people who made it?
(February 22, 2009 at 6:17 am)Ephrium Wrote: Also, it had been mentioned many times in this forum, but with no one correcting it--If the universe can pop out out of nothing, that a God can pop out of nothing is MORE improbable.Nope: we know the universe exists, we know that its constituents can and do pop out of nothing. But we don't know that deities exist, nor that they can pop out of nothing.
I fail to see the reasoning. At the very least, they both seem equally improbable or probable.
It's parsimony: we know universes exist, so we're not positing anything new or unnecessary there. But we don't know that deities exist, so we are positing something new. By Occam's Razor, the latter is less probable than the former (until such time that evidence to the contrary is presented).
"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right." - Stargate: SG1
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone. - Charles Darwin
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone. - Charles Darwin