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Anti gay-marriage atheist??
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
Re-reading my response, above, it dawns on me that I need to clarify my First Amendment-related answer about incest.

The right to bodily autonomy, under the general category of Constitutionally-guaranteed privacy rights, in the face of government intrusion absent a "compelling state interest", is what governs much of our relationship between the person and the government in general.

You may not have realized it, Mr. Author, but the same set of rights which allow two (heterosexual) people who have genetic disease recessive traits (and thus would likely produce children with those heritable diseases) to marry freely under law, since the government is prohibited from finding out about your genetic suitability prior to granting your license, are the same ones that prevent us from being able to regulate incestuous marriages in the manner it would take to overcome the presumption that such diseases would occur in a familial pairing.

Likewise, it's not the government's business to determine what categories of people (racial characteristics, gender, etc.) are "eligible" to be included in the umbrella of marriage as currently defined in each state, short of ensuring that they are of legal standing (of age) to enter into what amounts to a civil legal contract together. Contrary to the claims of conservatives, the recent SCotUS ruling did not "redefine" marriage; instead, it examined the ability of the government to determine whether the gender of those entering the contract met the level of scrutiny required under the Equal Protection Clause, and found that government did not have the right or the power to restrict the categories on that basis, just as it made the same finding in 1967 for race in the Loving v. Virginia case.

It would be considered a major victory for conservatism, if they truly believed in limiting the power of government to restrict our private lives; only bigotry keeps them from celebrating it as a victory in this manner, since they appear to still want government intrusion in private lives, when it comes to enforcing Biblical concepts onto our behavior in the bedroom. Luckily for those of us who love freedom and individual dignity under law, the conservatives have been steadily losing every battle they fight to maintain this particular form of power, over the last century.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 30, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 30, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mr.wizard - August 30, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 30, 2015 at 7:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by thehedglin - August 30, 2015 at 7:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 30, 2015 at 7:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 30, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Spooky - August 30, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 30, 2015 at 8:05 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Minimalist - August 30, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Simon Moon - August 30, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Simon Moon - August 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 30, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Rev. Rye - August 30, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 4:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 30, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 30, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 30, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:19 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 30, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:59 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Silver - August 31, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 3:09 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 3:14 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mudhammam - August 31, 2015 at 3:47 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Mudhammam - August 31, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 31, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ignoramus - August 31, 2015 at 6:52 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Rev. Rye - August 31, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by comet - August 31, 2015 at 6:54 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 31, 2015 at 9:13 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 31, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 3:47 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Homeless Nutter - August 31, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - August 31, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Esquilax - September 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Longhorn - August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by comet - August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by KevinM1 - August 31, 2015 at 2:31 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by KevinM1 - August 31, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Redbeard The Pink - August 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 8, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - August 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Pyrrho - August 31, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 31, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Divinity - August 31, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - August 31, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Alex K - August 31, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - August 31, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - August 31, 2015 at 11:39 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - August 31, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by drfuzzy - August 31, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 2:56 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 4:29 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2015 at 2:05 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Catholic_Lady - September 1, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Javaman - September 1, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by MTL - September 1, 2015 at 3:55 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Regina - September 1, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by abaris - September 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by robvalue - September 2, 2015 at 1:49 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 6, 2015 at 3:50 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Tartarus Sauce - September 8, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Losty - September 8, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by Brian37 - September 8, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 9, 2015 at 3:35 am
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist?? - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 9, 2015 at 11:25 am

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