(September 9, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Knight000 Wrote:(September 9, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Alex K Wrote: Can you clarify the wording now?
I tried to make it as simple as possible, but I suppose I could clarify it even more.
Actually, upon retrospect, stripping it of any more wording would in fact change the outcome, so I can't, sorry.
But I will tell you how I worked a weasel through this twisty test.
First man points to second and says one of us lies, the other says and one of us tells the truth.
Man one states an undeniable fact. Through this the obvious conclusion is that they both are inherent liars, but we can humor them for a second and take both sentences as true, because we know that first has told a truth. But we also know that through telling you that second man has told a truth by saying "And one of us tells the truth". So, we can then decide that both of them are telling the truth. But one of them tells lies! You say in your mind. Well, if he is telling the truth about the true fact, he must be being truthful about lying, making the second man a liar. So indeed, the second man is a liar. But if he is a liar, he then lies about the first man telling the truth? And through this evidence you can conclude, both of them lie and tell the truth.
You can also tell because no human can tell only lies or only truths.
I don't think that's how you can go about it to analyze this. Have you read my first detailed response upthread?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
