(February 24, 2009 at 9:44 pm)Tiberius Wrote:The difference is that atheists typically don't assert that there isn't a God, but rather merely lack belief in one. I'm well aware that you can't prove a negative, but that doesn't mean you can't be called on to do it if you assert one (e.g., "God doesn't exist").DD_8630 Wrote:Surely the onus is on you to show that a Creator couldn't be less complex?That's trying to prove a negative, which you can't do. Same reasoning for how atheists cannot be asked to "prove there is no god". The claim is ours, I agree with that much. We are claiming that all creations are less complex than their creator. This is quite obviously falsifiable; all someone would have to do is find one example of a creation that is more complex than it's creator.
That is, saying that a Creator must be less complex than its creator is the same as saying God doesn't exist: they are both assertions on something with absolutely no evidence (there's no evidence of God, nor for Creators).
So, if for the same reason we can ask theists to prove (or otherwise justify) the existence of their God, so too can we ask people to prove any assertion they might make. Including the assertion that Creators are more complex than their creation
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A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone. - Charles Darwin