Was Jesus' sacrifice really a sacrifice at all?

[Captain Scarlet]

Well if something undesirable was about to happen and you could neither prevent it nor did you know about it, you are of course blameless. But if you did know it would happen and were able to help prevent it, you may carry some responsibility for allowing it to happen.

God allowed it because he was going to use it to bring about a greater good.

Whilst that is logically consistent with evil, freewill and an all good god, it fails if it can be demonstrated that god could have bought about a better outcome. But according to the scriptures of your religion, the god character is capable of realising possible worlds were there is no suffering and people have freely come to beleive and worship him. Heaven and Eden to name 2 examples. Therefore god can realise a better outcome, does not have to allow the greater good to emerge through suffering and thus that argument fails.

You are absolutely wrong, in Eden there was suffering, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God He found them hiding from Him. When Lucifer tried to over throw God and take His throne there was suffering, God threw Lucifer and 1/3rd of the angels out of Heaven. So according to scriptures from creation till this very day there has been no perfect place, and only one perfect Life outside of heaven. So Theophilus has made a true statment, because as of today no perfect place has existed since creation.

Quite right Min it is a fairytale but bear with it.

Before Eve ate an apple was there suffering in Eden? If not god HAD realised a possible world without suffering. As he had done with Heaven. You are wrong and so is Theo.