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Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
(September 20, 2015 at 8:57 am)Rhythm Wrote: The bridge isn't there -as I perceive it- even when I'm observing it.  I could explain, very easily, why this is...but my explanation is going to be decidedly material in nature..lol.  Do you think that you might be able to explain why this is without a stolen concept?  How do we "filter and perceive as ideas" ?
That's right, it isn't there -- as you perceive it-- even when you're observing it.

Quote:(numbers only count as ideas..and -not- physical things..if you quietly presuppose, against all available evidence and explanation, that ideas -are not- physical things..lol, btw)
You use that word evidence like it means something, but I think the idea of evidence in this sense pretty much begs the question (I mean that as a description of the logic as I see it, not as an insult to you or your thinking process). Show me that numbers exist in the universe, outside our idea of them. Sure, you can point to the brain and talk about neural networks, etc. but at best you'll find a representation of "two-ness," not a physical thing which is equivalent to two. And yes, you can point to the brain, and say, "when physicist X talks about QM particles, this set of neurons lights up" (or at least in theory, you could). But what you haven't done is shown that a QM particle, or the numbers that describe it, are more than ideas.

And here's where your vision doesn't work for me: since the brain is made up of QM particles, and since these are better represented as ideas than as things, then evidence supports the position that the brain, however solid-seeming, is nonetheless supervenient on ideas and nothing else. So even your "two-in-the-brain-somewhere" is a manifestation of idea, rather than of a substance independent of idea.
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by bennyboy - September 20, 2015 at 9:35 am

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