RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
September 21, 2015 at 5:51 am
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2015 at 5:52 am by Reforged.)
(September 21, 2015 at 1:16 am)Rational AKD Wrote:(September 20, 2015 at 11:39 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: When we're talking about anything immaterial, supernatural, metaphysical, or anything else with no demonstrable, material existence, of course the "criteria of demonstration" breaks down. There is no evidence for any of that bullshit existing, aside from what people have made up and insisted upon.like usual... you completely missed the point. you are setting a burden that, by principle alone, dismisses everything contrary to materialism... which means you have a belief based on principle rather than reason, dismissing contrary reason based on principle rather than merit.
as I said, can you demonstrate to me why empirical demonstration is the only kind of evidence? you accept empiricism on principle rather than reason... thus your criticism of the argument is likewise based on principle rather than reason.
Redbeard The Pink Wrote:Your argument revolves around the exact same kind of side-stepping that Theists use to explain how their respective Gauds could exist outside of space and time as we know it; by simply placing Jehovah/Allah/The Mind Thing/The Flying Spaghetti Monster in the realm of "immaterial" things (and therefore outside material existence and beyond material evidence) you/they dodge any responsibility for proving your claims with evidence,yeah... that's why we do it...
Redbeard The Pink Wrote: restricting yourselves to circular logic, false claims, and fallacious reasoning.to which none of those are in the argument I presented.
Redbeard The Pink Wrote:This is why science demands evidence from people like you; your claim is not just philosophical because it's a claim about the nature and origin of material existence,the only claim about nature is a metaphysical one... which is beyond the scope of science. don't believe me? just go ahead and look up 'metaphysical' and see what subject it's in. go ahead. do it.
Redbeard The Pink Wrote:and it insists on using faith/"reason"oh yeah... because faith and reason are equivocal... just curious... do you even think?
Ultimately your entire argument falls down because you invoke the metaphysical which by definition is beyond the mind or the senses. Therefore a concept you can comprehend by definition cannot be branded a metaphysical concept. The mind is something you can comprehend. You even conceded "you can think of it as a product of material interactions or its own substance". Thats entirely accurate. Infact neuroscience outright proves this. It is the result of biological components interacting. You are creating a mystery where none exists because you want to perceive it as something more and you can't without attempting to invoke the metaphysical which as stated is an oxymoron.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.