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Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here.
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RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here.
Yeah I can see how its possible that it could somehow happen with a robot or computer. What with how much technology is moving on.
But even the absurdly powerful computers, so far aren't as powerful. And I'm not sure if it can happen.

Its perhaps possible but I think highly unlikely. Might take forever IF it's possible. Or humans will die out first.

I think the computer/robot it would have to somehow develop the ability of evolving in a way. Like improving itself drastically and getting more and more complex until it surpasses us.
But then that would in a way be kind of like us humans 'creating' artificial life in a test tube. And it evolving and surpassing us.

We may be more complex than things we evolved from - but I bet if a human was created by an ALIEN (that was an evolved being) artificially all in one go, building us like a biological robot right there - then it would have to be a lot more complex than us.

But if it created a cell in to a test tube and then the cell evolved into us. Its more possible that the alien might be less advanced, complex and intelligent than us. Although I'm sure it would have to be very slight. Maybe they'd be able to test-tube stuff but not be capable of thinking or doing some of the things we can. So the aliens may, in this hypothetical case, be ever so slightly more 'simple' than us.
I.E with the case of God - its one thing to create a universe out of NOTHING and be there right from the start. Its another thing to be something really simple like a 'Big Bang' singularity and then everything else developed out of that.

But then it would be misleading to call a 'big bang' singularity - that slowly develops things rather than creates it all in one go - God. That's not really God now is it? Nor is it really a creator. Its just an inflation. Or perhaps like planting a seed.
E.G its perhaps a bit more like life developing from something really simple, in a test tube - than creating something living - or a highly complex robot or computer - out of nothing. Which would be more like a God creating complexity out of nothing rather than just being a simple big-bang singularity that expanded. Which isn't really God!

Yeah - so maybe it CAN happen. In the future, I'm not sure. I just think so far there is no reason to think that it will happen, there's no evidence.

And its unlikely that its ever happened before. And extremely improbable I think, that it happened before the universe began! Creator before the universe is very unlikely because it would have to be complex back then.

It may not have to be in future with robots or whatever, if they develop and accelerate somehow maybe. But back then before the universe - it doesn't make sense to have a really sophisticated being that created everything. Or a simple being that created something even more simple than itself. So far, it just doesn't work like that - that's improbable - that's complex.

And if its an infinitely simple, heck, even probable God - then that's not God. We're talking about some kind of singularity here. Its misleading to use the word God. Or creator.

EvF
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Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 21, 2009 at 10:33 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by leo-rcc - February 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 22, 2009 at 6:17 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 22, 2009 at 10:22 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 22, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 23, 2009 at 3:23 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Tiberius - February 23, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 24, 2009 at 1:55 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by allan175 - February 24, 2009 at 11:41 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by leo-rcc - February 24, 2009 at 6:29 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 24, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by leo-rcc - February 24, 2009 at 3:54 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 24, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 24, 2009 at 9:41 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by leo-rcc - February 25, 2009 at 5:18 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 27, 2009 at 11:54 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by lukec - February 22, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by lukec - February 23, 2009 at 4:07 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Meatball - February 24, 2009 at 10:58 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by leo-rcc - February 24, 2009 at 7:23 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 25, 2009 at 1:22 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 25, 2009 at 5:19 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Tiberius - February 25, 2009 at 12:38 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 27, 2009 at 9:05 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by leo-rcc - February 27, 2009 at 9:41 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Tiberius - February 27, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Ephrium - February 28, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by lukec - February 27, 2009 at 4:35 pm
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 28, 2009 at 8:03 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by DD_8630 - February 28, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 10:03 am
RE: Small post Clarifying a common fallacy here. - by lukec - February 28, 2009 at 2:41 pm

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