Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[Captain Scarlet]

But strip materialism back to its bare metal and it proposes that the world is made of stuff.  I see no reason why a world of fields is not stuff.  Fields:

- are not formless (you continue to represent that view). Fields have values, eg value x, in spacetime vector y.
- equations govern them and their time evolution and these are deterministic
- really exist

You have responded to my insistence that particles are describable not as things but as ideas by enumerating the mathematical ideas by which they are described.

If you want to say that a particle (or a field) isn't formless then fine; show me what form a photon (for example) has.

Are you sure they only exist?  I think you mean to say, "They really, really exist ya gotta believe me, cuz everyone knows it's true."

No I have responded by saying that they have values in spacetime and are therefore not ideas.

The form is that determined by the maths  What are you after here, the describtion of a billiard ball (which it probably isn't for example?).  You keep asking me to define a form and I keep referring you to the models which will give you that.  I cannot describe the form in a platonic or Newtonian sense.

I mean to say what I said.  They really exist.  We can detect them.  I am not sure what would count as evidence of a photon to you?  If your standard of evidence is a want to see a photon, as a billiard ball, in 3D space or I am forced to believe photons dont really exist, they are just an idea, materialism is false or significantly flawed... well you might just be disappointed.