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Apologetics open challenge
RE: Apologetics open challenge
I thought I'd get this monkey off my back! My ramblings are in bold.

I've just highlighted some of the logical fallacies, enough to show these simply don't work. There's plenty more inherently wrong with the arguments as well that I needn't bother highlighting. I think this should put it to bed, anyone else is welcome to discuss.

My analysis of Aquinas 5 ways (5 ways taken from here)

General objection: Completely dishonest use of the label "god" in not just one but all five ways. This is clearly to try and sneak in an intelligence in the cases where none has been demonstrated; and also to assume all these five things are the same thing. Completely unjustified.

The First Way: Argument from Motion




The Second Way: Argument from Efficient Causes




The Third Way: Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument)




The Fourth Way: Argument from Gradation of Being




The Fifth Way: Argument from Design


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Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 20, 2015 at 3:26 am
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Pizza - July 20, 2015 at 4:06 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 20, 2015 at 4:17 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 20, 2015 at 2:40 pm
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 20, 2015 at 2:52 pm
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 20, 2015 at 2:59 pm
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 22, 2015 at 12:30 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 22, 2015 at 6:47 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 22, 2015 at 6:58 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 22, 2015 at 7:08 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 23, 2015 at 3:34 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - July 23, 2015 at 7:36 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by robvalue - August 10, 2015 at 4:12 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by MysticKnight - September 9, 2015 at 12:01 am
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RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Angrboda - October 2, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Neo-Scholastic - October 2, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Crossless1 - October 2, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Angrboda - October 3, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by MysticKnight - October 3, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: Apologetics open challenge - by Edwardo Piet - October 1, 2015 at 8:05 pm
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