RE: Richard Dawkins and the God of the Old Testament
September 27, 2015 at 4:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2015 at 4:50 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(September 27, 2015 at 4:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(September 27, 2015 at 11:09 am)Randy Carson Wrote: But what of the people of the OT, the Jews themselves? Wiker notes:
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On Dawkins' own grounds, it would be hard to imagine a people who more assiduously pursued a better set of evolutionary strategies for ensuring that its gene pool was carried forward, undiluted by rival tribes and races, than the ancient Jews. They were genetic geniuses!
Who didn't have enough time to weed out the nefarious non-jew gene.
For how long... how many generations... have the jews been up to that genetic selection?
How long would it take to get rid of that gene? Does Wiker happen to say anything on this subject?
Wow, I missed that line the first time 'round. Apparently racist bullshit is "genetic genuises".
You realize, of course, Randy, that regardless of whether they bred entirely into their own gene pool or allowed themselves to be genetically "diluted" by "rival tribes and races", their genes still are carried forward. Your genes don't care if they're intermingled with other genes from another tribe or from your own tribe. Racial purity is in fact often not the best idea.
However, that said, they didn't succeed at their "genius".
Quote: "The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes – this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.
What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).
Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a small mix of Arab genes – what you would expect if they were originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab immigrants.
They conclude:
Quote:'We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000)'."
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2...s-and.html
See also:
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.full
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