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Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
(October 5, 2015 at 1:05 am)Kitan Wrote:
(October 5, 2015 at 12:45 am)Delicate Wrote: A bunch of people have asked different variations of the same question: What is absolute truth?

I take absolute truth to be a synonym for objective truth. That is, truth that is discovered, not created.

Stating that god is the truth means that the truth has not be discovered, at least according to your definition of truth.

God has always been the easy answer, but never the truth.

You are correct in stating that the truth must be discovered, but creating a temporary answer along the way does no one any good in finding the truth.
Who said god is the truth? 


(October 5, 2015 at 1:57 am)Darkstar Wrote:
(October 5, 2015 at 12:45 am)Delicate Wrote: That is, truth that is discovered, not created. This is opposed to relativism, which is roughly the view that the truth of a claim is relative, subject to features (usually beliefs, preferences, values, etc) of individuals or groups.

Is "1 + 1 = 2" absolutely true? No one discovered 1, nor did they discover + or =. This statement would be unintelligible to someone using a different system of mathematics. If you define 'absolute' truth simply as this which is, by definition, true, then of course it exists. But that doesn't really mean anything significant. Perhaps by that what you are really asking is "does objective reality exist" to which I would answer that it probably does. But that isn't the most direct way of wording the question, and referring to absolute truth is usually trying to get at something beyond merely acknowledging that reality exists.

Actually yes, it is absolutely true. Mathematical truths are true in all possible worlds. And yes, '1' was discovered, as were the rules of addition and identity.

If something is created, it can be created differently. This is true of mathematical systems, in which the rules of operation can be expressed in various ways.

But the actual content is discovered. You don't get to decide what the sum of two natural numbers are. You only discover them. 

(October 5, 2015 at 11:19 am)Evie Wrote:
Delicate Wrote: I take absolute truth to be a synonym for objective truth.
In other words, truth.

Truth kind of has to be objective, so objective that it is absolutely, well, true. That is why it's called truth.

Religious folks try to make "absolute truth" or "The Truth" into some hocus pocusy religious superstitious bullshit, when really it just means... truth.

It's like they're trying to look at a green splat that is trivial and actually just absolutely what it is and pretend it's a golden nugget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkZFuKHXa7w


If you read what I said carefully, 'objective truth' refers to one of two categories of truth. Simply calling it 'truth' is confused and glosses over the second category.
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Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by vorlon13 - October 20, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Spooky - October 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Longhorn - October 3, 2015 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Jenny A - October 3, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by drfuzzy - October 3, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - October 3, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by KevinM1 - October 3, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by KevinM1 - October 6, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Alex K - October 3, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Exian - October 3, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by wiploc - October 3, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 3, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 5, 2015 at 12:45 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Darkstar - October 5, 2015 at 1:57 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 1:09 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 5, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 3:52 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - October 5, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 6, 2015 at 4:44 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 6, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Ravenshire - October 10, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 7, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 7, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 3:10 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by brewer - October 7, 2015 at 7:48 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 7, 2015 at 4:23 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 7, 2015 at 6:13 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Reforged - October 7, 2015 at 6:38 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 11:33 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 18, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 23, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 24, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by LostLocke - November 4, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Paraselene - October 10, 2015 at 12:01 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by dyresand - October 10, 2015 at 1:17 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Paraselene - October 10, 2015 at 1:22 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Alex K - October 19, 2015 at 9:07 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Ben Davis - October 20, 2015 at 6:34 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by ignoramus - October 20, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 20, 2015 at 7:43 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by LostLocke - October 20, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Mothonis - October 24, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by dyresand - October 24, 2015 at 1:36 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by ignoramus - October 24, 2015 at 2:30 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 24, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Paraselene - October 24, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by ignoramus - October 24, 2015 at 3:07 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by brewer - October 24, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 24, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Infanta - November 3, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by IATIA - November 3, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Ludwig - November 4, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - November 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by KevinM1 - November 4, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Spooky - November 4, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Crossless1 - November 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Paraselene - November 4, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 8:05 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Mudhammam - November 5, 2015 at 2:11 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Paraselene - November 4, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 9:23 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Reforged - November 5, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Mudhammam - November 5, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - November 5, 2015 at 9:59 am

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