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Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
Delicate Wrote:Subjective truths are those truths whose truth values depend on what people think, or feel, or experience. Claims like "Vanilla ice-cream is delicious" are subjectively true.

Subjective truths are still true objectively.

From the Moral Landscape by Sam Harris:

Sam Harris Wrote:As philosopher John Searle once pointed out, there are two very different senses of the terms “objective” and “subjective”. The first sense relates to how we know (i.e., epistemology), the second to what there is to know (i.e., ontology). When we say that we are reasoning or speaking “objectively”, we generally mean that we are free of obvious bias, open to counterarguments, cognizant of the relevant facts, and so on. This to make a claim about how we are thinking. In this sense, there is no impediment to our studying the subjective (I.e. first-person) facts “objectively. (Harris, 2010, p. 29)

All truth is ultimately objective, whether about subjective states of affairs or not. Objectively true is just true.
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Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by vorlon13 - October 20, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Spooky - October 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Longhorn - October 3, 2015 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Jenny A - October 3, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by drfuzzy - October 3, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - October 3, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by KevinM1 - October 3, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by KevinM1 - October 6, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Alex K - October 3, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Exian - October 3, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by wiploc - October 3, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 3, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 5, 2015 at 12:45 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Silver - October 5, 2015 at 1:05 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Darkstar - October 5, 2015 at 1:57 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 1:09 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 5, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 3:52 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - October 5, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 6, 2015 at 4:44 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 6, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 12:08 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Ravenshire - October 10, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 5, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 7, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 7, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 3:10 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by brewer - October 7, 2015 at 7:48 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 7, 2015 at 4:23 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 7, 2015 at 6:13 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Reforged - October 7, 2015 at 6:38 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Losty - October 7, 2015 at 11:33 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 18, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 23, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Delicate - October 24, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by LostLocke - November 4, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Silver - October 10, 2015 at 12:01 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by dyresand - October 10, 2015 at 1:17 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Silver - October 10, 2015 at 1:22 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Alex K - October 19, 2015 at 9:07 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Ben Davis - October 20, 2015 at 6:34 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by ignoramus - October 20, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 20, 2015 at 7:43 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by LostLocke - October 20, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Mothonis - October 24, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by dyresand - October 24, 2015 at 1:36 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by ignoramus - October 24, 2015 at 2:30 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 24, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Silver - October 24, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by ignoramus - October 24, 2015 at 3:07 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by brewer - October 24, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - October 24, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Infanta - November 3, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by IATIA - November 3, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Ludwig - November 4, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - November 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by KevinM1 - November 4, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Spooky - November 4, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Crossless1 - November 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Silver - November 4, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 8:05 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Mudhammam - November 5, 2015 at 2:11 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Silver - November 4, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by abaris - November 4, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Angrboda - November 4, 2015 at 9:23 pm
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Reforged - November 5, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by Mudhammam - November 5, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth - by robvalue - November 5, 2015 at 9:59 am

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