(March 2, 2009 at 7:21 am)leo-rcc Wrote:(March 1, 2009 at 10:02 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I was thinking, I don't really believe the "I" exists.
That sentence alone is so contradictory it boggles the mind.
Not really. I explained I think, that obviously we need to use the word 'I' in general conversion otherwise we can't understand each other very well!
But what I mean is - I believe I exist of course, in a general sense. What I am saying is which part of me am I refering to when I say "I"?
We change through time. What we are reffering to when we say "I" one moment may have actually changed slightly the next. And yes, as Dawkins was quoting about cells coming and going together.
When we SAY "I" existed five years ago then what I we talking about?
What I mean by "I don't really believe that THE "I" exists. Is when I use the word I, it is not a constant solid thing but something that changes al the time. So I don't think there is THE I. Because the I am using now may be different from the one I will be using later. We change.
So I mean't I in two different senses, I so you understand what on earth I am talking about (like I'm using it now, and just then again). And THE "I" as in a constant concept, idea, thing or whatever that we refer to that we think of as "ourselves". I'm not who I was a few years ago. So when I say "5 years back I did this". Did I? What part of me is the same exactly?
Where exactly IS this "I" that I am reffering to right now? I don't think THIS "I" is always here, I think it changes to another "I". So there is no THIS I.
So yes I believe I exist. And I believe the word "I" that we use to refer to ourselves exists in the sense that it is used to help us understand, like I am doing now.
But I don't think I really believe THE "I" exist. Because there is not one I, because it changes and becomes completely different.
Where is THIS "I". "The I"? Exactly? That's what I'm reffering to.
The word I can be used in a general sense but it can also be used as a constant thing, spirit, soul, concept, consciousness that we think of as "me". I don't believe that exists because what we think of as "I" in one minute has already changed into another "I" in the next yet we refer to it as same.
If it really is one constant thing that exists and doesn't change, that's "the I", then where on earth IS it?
Obviously I need to use the word in converstation or else you won't know what I'm talking about!
What [i]I[/b] mean is when I say the word I what am I referring to exactly? The I I think one fraction of a second is different from the I that I think the NEXT fraction of a second. So what exactly are we reffering to? Where is "the I"? I don't believe it exists as a constant because it disappers and becomes a new thought as soon as we reffer to it. So the I we then reffer to has already passed and we are actually reffering to a new I that is mirroring it.
I don't think there really is one "I". The "I" does not exist, I think (

Which part of ME is ME?? I don't believe I'm one thing. I don't think there is an "I". I'm a collection of cells that when work together form an "I" but I'm not really one thing and "I" does not really exist in reality as a constant, its just used in that way because its easier for us to understand and relate to each other that way!#
That's what I think anyway. Whatever this I we refer to is?? Where is it? I think my "I" has already changed from the "I" saying "That's what I think anyway" to "I think my "I" has already changed from the "I" saying "That's what I think anyway" to......"
And so on. I think that if the I exist then it exists for a fraction of a second and yet we act like its a constant thing! If you aware of your thoughts regually I think you might start to notice that all these thoughts are you! There is no one "I". And they all happen extremely fast! In reality there is no one "I".
And you have to disagree with one thought in order to do with something else. And you disagree with that thought with - guess what - another thought! Another "I"!
I don't think there is one "I". There is no "The I". There is no single "I". If there is it lasts for such a fraction of a second that it seems instantly gone as soon as it's there I think! IF you're aware. My "I" now is different from my "I" when I started this post. And I do actually believe that it has just changed BEFORE I justs typed "I do actually believe that it has just changed BEFORE..", etc. However small, that change is.
And when you become aware of your thoughts more often!: The so-called small changes seem a lot bigger! Its like you don't control your thoughts but your thoughts ARE you. But they change as soon as they start - so you are constant. There is no "you", there is no "I", because you have changed as soon as you have refered to yourself!
Thoughts?